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Trivia: lines that are never used by electric traction
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Another one that strikes me is the bays at Carlisle, afaict the only electric trains to carlisle are the virgin and TPE services (and maybe some freight) up the WCML to scotland. Outside of maybe a TPE service being terminated due to a fault (I doubt the virgin ones would fit in the bays) I can't see any reason why an electric train would enter the bays.
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Platforms 6 & 7 at Nuneaton
d9009alycidon
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The northern bay plastform 7 used to be the departure point of the 1S81 passenger/postal to Perth in loco hauled days. I already posted in the closed OHLE thread that I didn't think any electric locos ever went into the loco fuelling point at Millerhill, despite all roads except the fuel line being wired. It is possible that the loop on the Wiifflet South Junction to Sunnyside Junction was never used for electric trains, the whole line was electrified but only used briefely as a diversion during the big Newton blockade back in the 1990s
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it didn't..................
push-pull sets remember?
DanNCL
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I've definitely seen a 90 in platform 8 at Carlisle before. Pretty certain I've also seen one in platform 5 there before too.
There's a handful of 73s based at St Leonards. I've seen a GBRF one running on the Marshlink purely by chance when I was in Rye a few years back.
59CosG95
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It did, when DRS used 88s on the Doncaster - Millerhill departmental trains.
d9009alycidon
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Sory if I digress, but would there be any issues (such as the above) where electric locos run over a line on which the OHLE has not seen any use for a number of years, particularly if there had been a lot of diesel traction and associated carbon build up from exhaust fumes? I used to live beside the Airdrie to Coatdyke line and you always knew when it was a frosty morninn as the first train off Airdrie would light up the room with the arcing from the pantograph
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Platform 5 at Doncaster, I'd have said Platform 2 but 91's have been ending up in there recently.
Nah, this one has had a fair bit of use over the years. When the Central low-level line flooded in the 90s, Argyle line services ran this way for months. It also got diversions during engineering well into the 2000s. Used to be a daily Shields to Yoker ECS routed this way for route knowledge, but I think it ended in the later days of First operation.
Wonder if if would still be used as a diversion ?
Recent Argyle line & Rutherglen East engineering closures would suggest not. I think the route knowledge has now been lost with the ending of that ECS trip. The RHTT will probably use it over the coming months but that will be neither electric or ScotRail
d9009alycidon
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I know that the line had been used by electric trains, I have photogrpahs of class 303s on the route, I was specifically referring to the loop at Whifflet. While on the subject of Coatbridge, they electrified Coatbridge Junction to Langloan Junction, can't think of any passenger or freight that was electric hauled over that line
Platforms 2 and 3 at Wigan NW. 319s cannot use them as they too short although I believe a 323 can fit if they start operating Wigan to Liverpool, or Lostock to Wigan ever gets wired.
Platform 2 at Hunts Cross is also electrified but I've never known it to be used by electric traction.
Platform 2 at Hunts Cross is also electrified but I've never known it to be used by electric traction.
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Allerton chord down between Allerton Jn and Hunts cross West Jn. Its impossible for an OHLE electric to use that line as past the protecting signal that gives access to Hunts cross west Jn and the Up Cheshire its impossible to reverse and impossible to access the OHLE electric sidings of Allerton TMD.
The only time those wires are used is at the other end of the chord, Allerton Jn end, to allow OHLE electrics access to Allerton TMD.
It must be a contender for the only place in the country that has OHLE and 3rd rail electric in the same place and the OHLE is operationally impossible to use.
The only time those wires are used is at the other end of the chord, Allerton Jn end, to allow OHLE electrics access to Allerton TMD.
It must be a contender for the only place in the country that has OHLE and 3rd rail electric in the same place and the OHLE is operationally impossible to use.
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Another OHLE equiped line that is "disused" is the ramp that used to give access to Viaduct junction at Edge hill in Liverpool.
I dont know if it still is on the grid but it used to be. Its now a ramp to nowhere but used to give access to either the Up Chat moss via the iron bridge over the chat moss line or engine shed junction. which was OHLE, as was the circular goods line.
I dont know if it still is on the grid but it used to be. Its now a ramp to nowhere but used to give access to either the Up Chat moss via the iron bridge over the chat moss line or engine shed junction. which was OHLE, as was the circular goods line.
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Hemel Hempstead Boxmoor Siding can’t see much...
gg1
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Has platform 6 at Wolverhampton (the north facing bay) ever seen a EMU or electric loco?
Not sure what services they would do now ?
The only thing I can think of is during engineering recently the R&C services were terminating at Kirkwood and presumably running onto the chord to reverse. That’s about it. Don’t think they’ve ever run to Coatbridge Central, even during disruption (do ScotRail even have route knowledge of all of that curve?)
Remember using it during the Queen St high level blockade
Yeah, but that was Turbostars with DBC route conductors as far as Cumbernauld
d9009alycidon
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I once heard that when Strathclyde PTE (or whatever it was called a the time) was looking at reopening the R&C they intended to terminate the service at Coatridge Central instead of Whifflet, the reason Whifflet became the terminus was because Coatbridge Junction is a single lead junction and at that time just after the Bellgrove crash single lead junctions were getting a really bad press and as Whifflet North had retained a standard double junction it was decided to go there instead
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Does The Wallside siding at Southport see much use... Or any of the Birkdale electrified sidings 1-10?
Hunts cross platform 2 is 3rd rail too, and it was never designed to be used operationally, it was an idea for a turn back that has in so far as I am aware never been used by a 507/508 train in the 36 years its been there.
At Allerton Allerton East Jn to Garston Jn used to see some electric traction but now very little indeed since moves on the Up and Down Ditton lines are no more, they prefer to move to Arpley then over the Chat moss line to do Seaforth - Garston.
Hunts cross platform 2 is 3rd rail too, and it was never designed to be used operationally, it was an idea for a turn back that has in so far as I am aware never been used by a 507/508 train in the 36 years its been there.
At Allerton Allerton East Jn to Garston Jn used to see some electric traction but now very little indeed since moves on the Up and Down Ditton lines are no more, they prefer to move to Arpley then over the Chat moss line to do Seaforth - Garston.
A 319 ended up in P1 a few weeks ago as there was a broken one in the Reversing siding at the West end.
Whenever I’ve been to Southport there’s generally been a unit stabled on Wallside.
I can’t believe nobody has mentioned the Ordsall chord yet?
A Branch Line Society rare track tour visited it one Sunday last year with a 6-car Merseyrail EMU. I believe it has also been used on very rare occasions when platform 3 has been blocked by a failed unit, however any unit reversing in P2 will almost certainly get in the way of a service towards Warrington so the usual fallback plan is to curtail electric services at South Parkway.
Realtime Trains shows the 2333 arrival at Hunts Cross from Southport and the subsequent 2337 empty stock to Kirkdale using platform 2, however this never actually happens and it always goes into 3.
The Ordsall Chord has seen electric traction, there are regular booked moves with 319s.
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