SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

RealTrains07 · 30 Aug 2019

387star said:
The stations look appalling with the blue bands as they are stick ons and peeling off

Iam surprised they are doing anything to the stations since the dark blue colour scheme goes well with the brand (except the orange of course)

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TT-ONR-NRN · 30 Aug 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Iam surprised they are doing anything to the stations since the dark blue colour scheme goes well with the brand (except the orange of course)

Again the Futura font on station signs and nameboards is a clash though

Wychwood93 · 30 Aug 2019

As a complete aside 'Mrs. me' actually expressed an opinion on the refurbished stock last week - it was 'better' and 'more comfortable'. A rare event - I have previously attempted to get her view on assorted rolling stock over the years, home and abroad, to little or no effect. This was a totally unsolicited breakthrough! I am not supposing that the same may happen again, but who knows? She still considers railways an odd hobby but, after 30+ years, accepts that it exists!

Goldfish62 · 30 Aug 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
What’s awful is they’re not even the same seats! I’ve sampled the part refurbished first class a fair few times and the fully refurbished numerous times, and you can tell they’re not the same seats by the headrest. The part refurbished ones have a deep dent in the head part, the refurbished ones do not.

It seems to me SWR have largely wasted time refurbishing the first class seats for the part refurbished units if they’re not going to be used when the full refurbishment starts!

I'm pretty sure they're the same cushions. If not then it's only the small headrest cushion that's been changed.

SWRtrain_fan · 30 Aug 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
The part refurbished ones have a deep dent in the head part, the refurbished ones do not.

The fully refurbished 450 1st Class seats have antimacassars (the bits of leather saying 'SWR') on the headrests , which is why they feel firmer than the part refurbished 450 1st Class. I also find the part refurbished leather seats softer than the full refurbed ones.

Goldfish62 · 30 Aug 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
The fully refurbished 450 1st Class seats have antimacassars (the bits of leather saying 'SWR') on the headrests , which is why they feel firmer than the part refurbished 450 1st Class. I also find the part refurbished leather seats softer than the full refurbed ones.

That's probably because they've had longer to soften.

SWRtrain_fan · 30 Aug 2019

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43096 · 31 Aug 2019

Dan15812 said:
Yeah I know, but it seems a bit silly doing partially refreshed ones because removing the Gard's office must be quite a messy job. And it involves a patch of new carpet which would cost them more money and they don't need all those leather seats that they reupholstered for first!

The first class seat covers/cushions can be re-used when the last full refurbs go in, which look to be the 450/5s. So not wasted.

TT-ONR-NRN · 31 Aug 2019

43096 said:
The first class seat covers/cushions can be re-used when the last full refurbs go in, which look to be the 450/5s. So not wasted.

But that’s just it, the part refurb and full refurb have different first class seats, or at least DEFINITELY different headrests, if you take the cover off the full refurb seat you got a 100% flat smooth surface, on the part refurb - a huge dent.

Dan15812 · 31 Aug 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
But that’s just it, the part refurb and full refurb have different first class seats, or at least DEFINITELY different headrests, if you take the cover off the full refurb seat you got a 100% flat smooth surface, on the part refurb - a huge dent.

Also the Part-refurbed seats are more of a gray colour whereas the fully done ones have a more dark blue colour. Correct me if I'm wrong. At least the first class is 'fresh out the factory'.

WVL14 · 1 Sep 2019

SWR refresh updates
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444001 (unit 32) in 22-8-19, out 29-8-19
444024 (unit 33) in 30-8-19, on hand
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450098 (unit 73) in 22-8-19, out 28-8-19
450124 (unit 74) in 24-8-19, out 31-8-19
450036 (unit 75) in 28-8-19, out 1-9-19
450088 (unit 76) in 31-8-19, on hand
450042 (unit 77) in 1-9-19, on hand
.

SWRtrain_fan · 1 Sep 2019

WVL14 said:
SWR refresh updates
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444001 (unit 32) in 22-8-19, out 29-8-19
444024 (unit 33) in 30-8-19, on hand
.
450098 (unit 73) in 22-8-19, out 28-8-19
450124 (unit 74) in 24-8-19, out 31-8-19
450036 (unit 75) in 28-8-19, out 1-9-19
450088 (unit 76) in 31-8-19, on hand
450042 (unit 77) in 1-9-19, on hand
.

Thanks for the update. Another on-time 444 turnaround!

SWRtrain_fan · 1 Sep 2019

Non-refurbished 444s:

002, 016, 017, 018, 023, 026, 028, 030, 031, 036, 037, 043 (12 units)

The other 33 444s are refurbished. (73% complete)

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

004, 009, 014, 021, 022, 023, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 039, 040, 042*, 071, 074, 076, 077, 088*, 099, 107, 108, 109, 110, 116 and 118 (11 partly-refurbished)(42 non-refurbished)

The other 74 450s are fully refurbished. (58% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

SWRtrain_fan · 1 Sep 2019

Dan15812 said:
Also the Part-refurbed seats are more of a gray colour whereas the fully done ones have a more dark blue colour. Correct me if I'm wrong. At least the first class is 'fresh out the factory'.

I don't see much colour difference between the 2 refurbished 450 versions personally. But I haven't been on a partially refurbished 450 for months though as they're so rare now.

Dan15812 · 1 Sep 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
I don't see much colour difference between the 2 refurbished 450 versions personally. But I haven't been on a partially refurbished 450 for months though as they're so rare now.

Yeah I wasn't 100% sure I had this vague picture in my mind.

SWRtrain_fan · 1 Sep 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
But that’s just it, the part refurb and full refurb have different first class seats, or at least DEFINITELY different headrests, if you take the cover off the full refurb seat you got a 100% flat smooth surface, on the part refurb - a huge dent.

I'm pretty sure the seat frames are the same (Compin seats), you probably think it's 100% smooth because of the headrest covers. From pictures I've taken of the full refurbed 450 1st Class, it looks like they have dents in the headrests.

Or it could also because they haven't had much time to soften yet, therefore they're quite firm.

TT-ONR-NRN · 1 Sep 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
I'm pretty sure the seat frames are the same (Compin seats), you probably think it's 100% smooth because of the headrest covers. From pictures I've taken of the full refurbed 450 1st Class, even those have dents in the headrests.

I travel in 450 First class every day after college & even when I’m not at college as it’s my local train and I use it regularly. The top part of the final refurbishment seat is different. 100% different. Sometimes I’ve even sat in there when gangs have removed the covers and it’s even more obvious then - the new headrests are FLAT.

SWRtrain_fan · 1 Sep 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
I travel in 450 First class every day after college & even when I’m not at college as it’s my local train and I use it regularly. The top part of the final refurbishment seat is different. 100% different. Sometimes I’ve even sat in there when gangs have removed the covers and it’s even more obvious then - the new headrests are FLAT.

Oh ok, you're probably right then because I don't travel on 450s daily.

59CosG95 · 3 Sep 2019

159008 made the pilgrimage from Salisbury to Loughborough yesterday.

SWRtrain_fan · 5 Sep 2019

59CosG95 said:
159008 made the pilgrimage from Salisbury to Loughborough yesterday.

Thanks for the update.

SWRtrain_fan · 5 Sep 2019

Non-refurbished 444s:

002, 017, 018, 023, 026, 028, 031, 036, 037, 043 (10 units)

The other 35 444s are refurbished. (78% complete)

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

009, 014, 021, 022, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 039, 071, 074, 076, 077, 099, 107, 109, 110, 116 and 118 (10 partly-refurbished)(37 non-refurbished)

The other 80 450s are fully refurbished. (63% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Goldfish62 · 5 Sep 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
Non-refurbished 444s:

002, 016, 017, 018, 023, 024*, 026, 028, 030, 031, 036, 037, 043 (13 units)

The other 32 444s are refurbished. (71% complete)

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

004, 009, 014, 021, 022, 023, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 039, 040, 042, 071, 074, 076, 077, 099, 107, 108, 109, 110, 116 and 118 (11 partly-refurbished)(41 non-refurbished)

The other 75 450s are fully refurbished. (59% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

Thanks for the update. Really is entering the final phase now.

RealTrains07 · 5 Sep 2019

Goldfish62 said:
Thanks for the update. Really is entering the final phase now.

Exterior next, then apart from the units departing SWR will have a uniform fleet at least

Goldfish62 · 5 Sep 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Exterior next, then apart from the units departing SWR will have a uniform fleet at least

Although as that's apparently going to take three years, it's a while off a uniform fleet yet.

RealTrains07 · 5 Sep 2019

Goldfish62 said:
Although as that's apparently going to take three years, it's a while off a uniform fleet yet.

They’ve starting making some progress with the 701s at least

WVL14 · 6 Sep 2019

Desiro refreshes update;
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444024 (unit 33) in 30-8-19, out 5-9-19
444030 (unit 34) in 5-9-19, on hand
.
450036 (unit 75) in 28-8-19, out 1-9-19
450088 (unit 76) in 31-8-19, out 4-9-19
450042 (unit 77) in 1-9-19, on hand
450023 (unit 78) in 4-9-19, on hand
.

Dan15812 · 7 Sep 2019

WVL14 said:
Desiro refreshes update;
.
444024 (unit 33) in 30-8-19, out 5-9-19
444030 (unit 34) in 5-9-19, on hand
.
450036 (unit 75) in 28-8-19, out 1-9-19
450088 (unit 76) in 31-8-19, out 4-9-19
450042 (unit 77) in 1-9-19, on hand
450023 (unit 78) in 4-9-19, on hand
.

Thank you!

Dan15812 · 8 Sep 2019

Non-refurbished 444s:

002*, 017, 018, 023, 026, 028, 031, 036, 037, 043 (10 units)

The other 35 444s are refurbished. (78% complete)

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

009, 014, 021, 022, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 039*, 071, 074, 076, 077, 099, 107, 109, 110*, 116 and 118 (10 partly-refurbished)(37 non-refurbished)

The other 80 450s are fully refurbished. (63% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

Goldfish62 · 10 Sep 2019

Regarding the saga of the 1st Class headrests, I've been on two fully refurbished units today. One had indents in the headrests and the other one didn't. Perhaps it's the case that the part refurbs, which had dents, retained these upon conversion to full refurbs, whereas straight refurbs have the different style. The difference is barely noticeable anyway.

SWRtrain_fan · 10 Sep 2019

Goldfish62 said:
Regarding the saga of the 1st Class headrests, I've been on two fully refurbished units today. One had indents in the headrests and the other one didn't. Perhaps it's the case that the part refurbs, which had dents, retained these upon conversion to full refurbs, whereas straight refurbs have the different style. The difference is barely noticeable anyway.

Interesting, thanks for the info.

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