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Northern Class 331: Construction/Introduction Updates

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Harvey B said:
If thats the case then wouldn't it be better to transfer two different 331s to Skipton in trade for the two tagged ones
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Checking the RTT for the Skipton Allerton move showed 140tons so perhaps it was just the odd one out 3 car 331 002 going back. A 4 car with translator vehicles would prob weigh more.
Perhaps someone in the know can enlighten us as well as which 331/1s are actually in service.
I have 101, 106, 108 , 109, 110 in service with 102, 104, 105, 107 (all no steps fitted) on training.
103, 111, 112 stored Edge hill.
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Edit to add a few more thoughts:
Is it the air con that makes that strange noise every so often or something by the pantograph?
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If it’s a “bang or thud” it will usually be the main circuit breaker opening at the overhead line neutral sections. As the main AC power goes off the air con fans etc normally stop at the same time, and restart a few seconds later.
 
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I don't think he is referring to a bang or thud. These CAF Civity units make several strange noises. There is a whooping noise from the aircon and when I was on 331007 yesterday there was another loud noise that started each time after setting off and lasted a minute or so.

After a while they just become background noise but they are pretty noticeable, at first at least.
 
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Bertie the bus said:
I don't think he is referring to a bang or thud. These CAF Civity units make several strange noises. There is a whooping noise from the aircon and when I was on 331007 yesterday there was another loud noise that started each time after setting off and lasted a minute or so.

After a while they just become background noise but they are pretty noticeable, at first at least.
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Ok, I was just thinking of many similar questions about other AC stock
 
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swt_passenger said:
If it’s a “bang or thud” it will usually be the main circuit breaker opening at the overhead line neutral sections. As the main AC power goes off the air con fans etc normally stop at the same time, and restart a few seconds later.
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Not a bang or thud, but I did first notice it on the neutral section after Leeds west junction.

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I don't think he is referring to a bang or thud. These CAF Civity units make several strange noises. There is a whooping noise from the aircon and when I was on 331007 yesterday there was another loud noise that started each time after setting off and lasted a minute or so.

After a while they just become background noise but they are pretty noticeable, at first at least.
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Whooping might be the right word, probably the air con.

Also, I might have been imagining things, but do the lights get really bright when going through tunnels?
 
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The lights will get brighter as they are on light sensors which should dim and brighten the lights according to the external light source.
 
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156441 said:
The lights will get brighter as they are on light sensors which should dim and brighten the lights according to the external light source.
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Thought as much, seemed like we went from daylight to operating theatre bright as we went into Thackley Tunnel. But it wasn't as noticable on exit. I'm sure this feature and the loud automated irrelevant announcements will ensure everyone is awake and alet on arrival at Leeds on a winter morning.
 
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superkev said:
Checking the RTT for the Skipton Allerton move showed 140tons so perhaps it was just the odd one out 3 car 331 002 going back.
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it also turns out that 002 was the tagged train too (assuming that it was just that unit that was tagged).
 
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Does anyone know if 002 has gone back to the west for good (until the 4 car units are replaced with 3 car units at least)
 
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Seen a Class 331 through Macclesfield today at about 1435, is this one of the first units to work to Stoke-On-Trent?
 
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Found it quite interesting today that the new trains automatic announcement cant say Apperley Bridge. Was on a service between Shipley and Leeds and when it was due to arrive into Apperely Bridge it just said "we will shortly be arriving at....."

The guard then informed us all via PA that the system is unable to recognise Apperley bridge so is unable to pronounce it but it's our next station stop. I wonder if theres any other stations in which are unable to announced by the new trains. I know the class 333 also are unable to announce apperely bridge and kirkstall forge but I believe this is down to them not being programmed to do so.
 
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Britannia94 said:
Found it quite interesting today that the new trains automatic announcement cant say Apperley Bridge. Was on a service between Shipley and Leeds and when it was due to arrive into Apperely Bridge it just said "we will shortly be arriving at....."

The guard then informed us all via PA that the system is unable to recognise Apperley bridge so is unable to pronounce it but it's our next station stop. I wonder if theres any other stations in which are unable to announced by the new trains. I know the class 333 also are unable to announce apperely bridge and kirkstall forge but I believe this is down to them not being programmed to do so.
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Do the 331s and 195s use the TrainFX for automated announcements as the refurbished Northern trains? And do the 321s and 322s use trainFX too?
 
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Can't answer for 321/322 but as far as I know the CAF units don't use TrainFX, or if they do then it is a very different system to that fitted to the older fleet and there is no mention of TrainFX anywhere.
 
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The current class 321/322 do make the announcements for apperley bridge and kirkstall forge. It's just the new trains I've noticed along with 333 that for some reason cant announce them.
 
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331 104 the former Skipton trainer was on Leeds - Foster Sq this morning so has presumably entered service.
Edit: l believe it failed later in the day.
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Llama said:
Can't answer for 321/322 but as far as I know the CAF units don't use TrainFX, or if they do then it is a very different system to that fitted to the older fleet and there is no mention of TrainFX anywhere.
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Thanks, I know they use the same female voice for the refurbished units, the CAF units and the 321s and 322s so it makes me wonder why the Apperley bridge announcements are not (yet) on the 331s (makes me wonder if the same happens when the 331s stop at Kirkstall Forge) however the 32xs have no problem announcing Kirkstall forge and apperley bridge (and I assume that any DMU's that have PRM mods at the very least would have the kirkstall Forge announcements on there too). At the same time I still find it odd that the 333s can't announce Kirkstall forge either so I'd assume that they can only fix it by changing the announcements altogether
 
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Britannia94 said:
The current class 321/322 do make the announcements for apperley bridge and kirkstall forge. It's just the new trains I've noticed along with 333 that for some reason cant announce them.
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I find it weird that the 331s can't announce them providing that the PIS voice used is the same one as the 32Xs and the rest of Northerns refurbished fleet. The 333s are more understandable why they haven't got them yet
 
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The 331 units can announce kirkstall forge, its just apperley bridge they seem to struggle with. Afaik the 333 units cannot announce apperley or kirkstall due to the age of the software on the pis : it does show on the screens however.
 
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Afaik the 333 units cannot announce apperley or kirkstall due to the age of the software on the pis : it does show on the screens however.
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I would have thought that the reason why they can't change the 333 announcements was due to the fact that they couldn't find the original voice actor, although everytime I hear the 333 announcements they sound like they were recorded by a Text To Speech synthesiser to me so that could also be a problem too of they wanted to announce Kirkstall Forge and Apperley bridge through automated announcements
 
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Think the 333 announcements were done by Martin oldfield, definitely not synthesised although I get why people may think they were!
 
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Llama said:
Can't answer for 321/322 but as far as I know the CAF units don't use TrainFX, or if they do then it is a very different system to that fitted to the older fleet and there is no mention of TrainFX anywhere.
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The 321/322 fleet don’t use TrainFX.
 
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331 104, 106, 109 along with not yet in passenger use 107 all parked up at Neville Hill today.
Looks like they may need those 321s and 322s for a while yet.
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331104 failed this morning causing several cancellations. Now if only there was a 321 which could have replaced it!
 
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