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So in that case he was deliberately delaying service more than the 5 min ,did the ex2 arrive at your destination on time ? I doubt it really if it was definitely 20 mins late it wouldn’t have made up much of that .
 
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So in that case he was deliberately delaying service more than the 5 min ,did the ex2 arrive at your destination on time ? I doubt it really if it was definitely 20 mins late it wouldn’t have made up much of that .
Got off at Haymarket. Driver was in no hurry. Still at least 20 mins late but if I was being honest more like 30 mins late. But I will blame the additional 10 mins on the bad traffic. Makes you wonder if the train would have been a better option that night.
 

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SO were just going to ignore the fact "First Scotland East" bus between Bathgate and Broxburn is going to disappear.
Was getting next to nothing so pointless ,Midland have obviously decided to concentrate on where it can make money .
As I said WLC will have to foot the bill for a replacement from Westfield through Bridgecastle to Armadale and Bathgate (possibly)
 

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So over the next six months, the rest of the current network will be reviewed, however I can see further cuts coming and I can see what may will happen to the rest of contracts .

Bus services
  • No1 Lithlingow Local service - No change,
  • No2 Broxburn local service - No change,
  • No5 Bathgate Local Service - revised to one bus working and also taken out of wester inch
  • No6 Armadale/Whitburn local service. - Depend if it get extended up to Avonbridge, there is 30mins gap where it does nothing
  • 7 - Queensferry or Winchburgh - Uphall or St John's Hosp - Scaped. ( maybe Stagecoach can try and win extra AM and plus 17pm run which means 8pm run from livingston)
  • No8 and No50 Merged
  • 9A - Livingston - Murieston circular - I get the feeling First will bid for it on 20min service
  • 16 - Livingston - Edinburgh Western General Hospital - No change.
  • 23A Taxi service two early morning journeys
  • 26A - First two early morning journeys from Fauldhouse to Bathgate - 0519 0604 - I can see LCB going after the 05.19
  • 40/X40 - St Johns to Edinburgh Royal - I can see LCB to go after that, it would make great sence
  • 449 Bathgate - Bo'ness - no chance but its needs to be overhauled.
 

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Checked out the temporary terminus at St Andrews Square and had me thinking why don’t LCB use St Andrews Square instead of Regent Road permenaltly. For one it’s easier to access and it looks much nicer

You could say the same for the ECB services at Charlotte Square although it’s different from St Andrews Square obviously
 

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Checked out the temporary terminus at St Andrews Square and had me thinking why don’t LCB use St Andrews Square instead of Regent Road permenaltly. For one it’s easier to access and it looks much nicer

You could say the same for the ECB services at Charlotte Square although it’s different from St Andrews Square obviously
Regent Road is easier in my opinion, I honestly thought St Andrew Sq might work but it’s just too slow to get in and out of at the minute. For example if my X27 leaves the layover point at 8.15 it can sometimes take up to 4 or 5 mins to reach me on the south side, because of the trams basically. The lights onto South St David St don’t stay on for long - about 2 vehicles will get through if there’s enough space, and then it usually takes 2 or 3 revolutions before we actually get onto Princes St, worst I’ve seen is 15 mins from layover point to currently only stop on Princes St in that direction - PY. Something that was bad at first was cars parking in the pick up stops but that seems to have stopped now. Just bring back Regent Road on Friday is what I think
 

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Stopped parking in the pick up stops by having a security guard this morning who ushered folks along whilst I waited for my bus.
Would be an ideal terminus rather than regent road as it would take traffic away from Waverly area but as you say the lights to get round from the square onto Princes Street are a shambles. Perhaps it could be routed up Fredrick and along (like the 43 does?) That way it could work without loosing too much time. In honesty I'm surprised this hasn't been done given the location of the stops at the West End...
 

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So over the next six months, the rest of the current network will be reviewed, however I can see further cuts coming and I can see what may will happen to the rest of contracts .

Bus services
  • No1 Lithlingow Local service - No change,
I was under the impression that the Linlithgow L1 service is being reduced at the end of this month. Do you know something I don't know??
So over the next six months, the rest of the current network will be reviewed, however I can see further cuts coming and I can see what may will happen to the rest of contracts .

Bus services
  • No1 Lithlingow Local service - No change,
  • No2 Broxburn local service - No change,
  • No5 Bathgate Local Service - revised to one bus working and also taken out of wester inch
  • No6 Armadale/Whitburn local service. - Depend if it get extended up to Avonbridge, there is 30mins gap where it does nothing
  • 7 - Queensferry or Winchburgh - Uphall or St John's Hosp - Scaped. ( maybe Stagecoach can try and win extra AM and plus 17pm run which means 8pm run from livingston)
  • No8 and No50 Merged
  • 9A - Livingston - Murieston circular - I get the feeling First will bid for it on 20min service
  • 16 - Livingston - Edinburgh Western General Hospital - No change.
  • 23A Taxi service two early morning journeys
  • 26A - First two early morning journeys from Fauldhouse to Bathgate - 0519 0604 - I can see LCB going after the 05.19
  • 40/X40 - St Johns to Edinburgh Royal - I can see LCB to go after that, it would make great sence
  • 449 Bathgate - Bo'ness - no chance but its needs to be overhauled.
I was under the impression that the Linlithgow L1 service is being reduced at the end of this month. Do you know something I don't know??
 

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I MADE CLEAR these are the service that are going into consultation over the next 6 months... What every happens onwards is what I mean.

Even with all this freed up cash, its the only section that needs extra runs on the L1 would be Friars ways, I can't see the council paying for that, it's also possible council may provide a daytime service once again between Harthill and blackridge but again who knows.
 
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43 service moving to Livingston in an attempt to get revenue figures up ?
Seems a strange move when you consider the shuttle distance and time if they are going to pay staff for riding in a van from Dean's to SQ!
 

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43 service moving to Livingston in an attempt to get revenue figures up ?
Seems a strange move when you consider the shuttle distance and time if they are going to pay staff for riding in a van from Dean's to SQ!
That does seem strange, as that was the primary reason for First withdrawing from the route. I assume Livingston drivers are paid less than the main Lothian depots in the city, so that may be enough to balance out the additional crew shuttle costs?
 

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No not really, 43 currently operated by single deck central drivers who are paid more or less the same as we are for driving all types
 

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Thanks for that, was not aware that was the case, see you learn something new everyday. And now we get to do them for single deck money :s
 
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Though the single deck drivers get an extra payment for driving the 43 because it's a decker route.
What a strange situation. In addition to separate single and double deck pay grades, is there a regular 1.5x deck pay rate as well or do they just get made up to standard double deck rates when driving the 43 shifts?
I can just about understand that you might need more training and require more concentration to drive a double decker. Extra height, passengers, responsibility and all that. Logistical nightmare if lots of different pay rates are involved though.
 

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Jumped on the N28 this morning and it was surprisingly busy (well, surprising in that I thought it would be dead) - picked up ~15 people down Princes Street. If they're changing £6 a pop would they be making money with that many passengers? I'd imagine the costs for a night service are a good bit higher.

One of the things I do appreciate about Lothian is the rather good night network in general.
 

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Jumped on the N28 this morning and it was surprisingly busy (well, surprising in that I thought it would be dead) - picked up ~15 people down Princes Street. If they're changing £6 a pop would they be making money with that many passengers? I'd imagine the costs for a night service are a good bit higher.

One of the things I do appreciate about Lothian is the rather good night network in general.
I've done a N28 on start of very early dayshift it's fun having the road to yourself and trying to maintain time, well more fun than I thought it would be :D
 

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What a strange situation. In addition to separate single and double deck pay grades, is there a regular 1.5x deck pay rate as well or do they just get made up to standard double deck rates when driving the 43 shifts?
I can just about understand that you might need more training and require more concentration to drive a double decker. Extra height, passengers, responsibility and all that. Logistical nightmare if lots of different pay rates are involved though.
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How busy is the 3.30am bus? Do any staff really use the 04.30 X28?
Think I picked up 3 or 4 @mid calder going to sighthill no staff on that perticular journey only ran part route to longstone on that perticular journey. Turn around in depot and take layover then head back to Bathgate on I think the first X27
 

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What a strange situation. In addition to separate single and double deck pay grades, is there a regular 1.5x deck pay rate as well or do they just get made up to standard double deck rates when driving the 43 shifts?
I can just about understand that you might need more training and require more concentration to drive a double decker. Extra height, passengers, responsibility and all that. Logistical nightmare if lots of different pay rates are involved though.
I think there are many many different pay structures and terms and conditions I'm sure someone could provide details
 

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What a strange situation. In addition to separate single and double deck pay grades, is there a regular 1.5x deck pay rate as well or do they just get made up to standard double deck rates when driving the 43 shifts?
I can just about understand that you might need more training and require more concentration to drive a double decker. Extra height, passengers, responsibility and all that. Logistical nightmare if lots of different pay rates are involved though.
There's only one pay grade* for both single deck and decker drivers, but the conditions are different - for example single deck drivers don't get paid breaks, so have to work longer shifts to earn the same.

The payment for the 43 is part of a long standing agreement to do with single deck drivers driving deckers, and involves an extra fixed payment for each shift that involves driving a 43 (it's been a while since I was on the single decks, so I can't remember the actual amount, also I'm fairly sure it's per shift rather than per bus).
Not the best explanation, but it's the best I can come up with for now. The actual agreement is a fair bit more complicated, but I'm not going into that on here.


*There's a lower rate for a period of time after starting with the company, but that's not really relevant to this.
 

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About time Lothian revised their pay structure me thinks... It seems very backwards and outdated. Drivers at the same company doing the exact same work should be under the same conditions regardless of vehicle type.
 

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It is at LC I drive a coach most of the time, but last night I was on service work driving deckers tomorrow I'm on singles and deckers and sun I'm back to coaches same rate of pay for all three types. Believe East Coast the same. Think its only Lothian City that has the different conditions and rates of pay
 

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What a strange situation. In addition to separate single and double deck pay grades, is there a regular 1.5x deck pay rate as well or do they just get made up to standard double deck rates when driving the 43 shifts?
I can just about understand that you might need more training and require more concentration to drive a double decker. Extra height, passengers, responsibility and all that. Logistical nightmare if lots of different pay rates are involved though.

Do find that strange , not heard of that at First.
 

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About time Lothian revised their pay structure me thinks... It seems very backwards and outdated. Drivers at the same company doing the exact same work should be under the same conditions regardless of vehicle type.
I believe standardising the pay structures & shift length between single and double drivers was part of the agreed Unite deal
 
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