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TPE Class 397 ('Nova 2') construction and updates

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nigelsporne

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On a trip down the WCML on Friday 23rd there was a 397 set at Warrington without any numbers and a further one at Crewe next to 004. Any ideas on which was which? Is the Crewe one 002?
 

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What does accepted mean?

It means contractually handed over to the customer (TOC).
It also means the ROSCO leasing charges kick in and the maintenance regime starts.
The manufacturer also finally gets paid.
If there wasn't an incentive to get the trains into service before, there will be now as it costs to keep them idle in sidings.
The pressure is then on to remove the trains being replaced and return them to the ROSCO for re-lease elsewhere.
 

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On a trip down the WCML on Friday 23rd there was a 397 set at Warrington without any numbers and a further one at Crewe next to 004. Any ideas on which was which? Is the Crewe one 002?
397001 will have been the unit at Warrington and 397003 is currently paired up with 397004 at Crewe. TPE are hopefully starting driver training with 397006 this week but i have no idea about routes and times at the minute.
 

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There was one wrapped up behind the two regular sets say in there. (Unless it was mk5 stock)
 

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397003 and 397004 have been out again together this week while a 397 moved to Polmadie from Longsight this morning.
 

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There was a ROG Class 37 and translator/barrier vehicles waiting to depart South from Basford Hall at Crewe around 1330 today (Sat), were these going to Portbury docks for a new 397 delivery, does anybody know?

Also a ROG Class 37 stabled at Warrington Bank Quay, down bay, not seen one there before.
 

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There was a ROG Class 37 and translator/barrier vehicles waiting to depart South from Basford Hall at Crewe around 1330 today (Sat), were these going to Portbury docks for a new 397 delivery, does anybody know?

Also a ROG Class 37 stabled at Warrington Bank Quay, down bay, not seen one there before.
No idea about the 37 at Warrington but the 37 at Crewe was making its way to Leicester having moved 397002 from Arriva Crewe to MID on Friday
 

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Ok thankyou both, so no new arrivals just yet, and a Thunderbird for Flex.
I think 397007 is at Portbury with a move planned to MID for Friday. Some issues stopping driver have been resolved and that should start next week based out of Preston.
 

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Will the Class 397s be up and running and in passenger service before the Class 350s need to go by the end of November to West Midland or has all that changed.
 

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Will the Class 397s be up and running and in passenger service before the Class 350s need to go by the end of November to West Midland or has all that changed.

Not sure about the Manchester Airport-Glasgow/Edinburgh, but the Liverpool-Glasgow were going to be 185 operated before the 397s took over, so could there be a short return to 185s perhaps?
 

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Not sure about the Manchester Airport-Glasgow/Edinburgh, but the Liverpool-Glasgow were going to be 185 operated before the 397s took over, so could there be a short return to 185s perhaps?

The 350s are on a sub lease from WMR who can have them for the December timetable change if they decide. TPE only have 9 x 350s left therefore they should have sufficient 185s to replace them. They should be able to get 9 units new units into service by December (between the three fleets).
 

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The 350s are on a sub lease from WMR who can have them for the December timetable change if they decide. TPE only have 9 x 350s left therefore they should have sufficient 185s to replace them. They should be able to get 9 units new units into service by December (between the three fleets).
It can't be that simple? I don't imagine that any passenger would accept that a class 350 and a class 185 are equivalent.
 

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It can't be that simple? I don't imagine that any passenger would accept that a class 350 and a class 185 are equivalent.

Well no, that is a big backwards step using 185s again but will TPE have a choice? If WMR need them 9 Class 350s in December TPE are a bit scuppered.

Anyway 397007 arrived at Longsight MID, just the 92 late.o_O
 

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The 350s are on a sub lease from WMR who can have them for the December timetable change if they decide. TPE only have 9 x 350s left therefore they should have sufficient 185s to replace them. They should be able to get 9 units new units into service by December (between the three fleets).

No great loss if it's for a short period, but going from 4 to 3-cars is going to be rather crowded at times.
 

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It can't be that simple? I don't imagine that any passenger would accept that a class 350 and a class 185 are equivalent.

No great loss if it's for a short period, but going from 4 to 3-cars is going to be rather crowded at times.

It would be a step down but if WMR want them then TPE will have to make do. They were ordered by London Midland and subleased to TPE, this arrangement ran past the end of the franchise and they where ring fenced for WMR bidders as existing franchise rolling stock.

There should be some 397s in service by December and they should be put on the busiest diagrams. Even a couple in daily service would be very helpful.
 

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They [350/4] were ordered by London Midland and subleased to TPE, this arrangement ran past the end of the franchise and they where ring fenced for WMR bidders as existing franchise rolling stock.

Not this nonsense again. They were ordered for TPE and until WMT agreed a lease with the ROSCO there was no connection whatsoever between them and any Midlands franchise.
 

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Not this nonsense again. They were ordered for TPE and until WMT agreed a lease with the ROSCO there was no connection whatsoever between them and any Midlands franchise.

Ok I got it the wrong way around but the outcome is still the same. If WMR insist on having them for their December 2019 services then TPE don't have a choice.
 

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It can't be that simple? I don't imagine that any passenger would accept that a class 350 and a class 185 are equivalent.
Really? The average passenger wouldn't know the difference between a Pacer and a Sprinter, so I doubt they'd notice the quite subtle (to the uninitiated) differences between two trains in the same colour scheme!
 

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Really? The average passenger wouldn't know the difference between a Pacer and a Sprinter, so I doubt they'd notice the quite subtle (to the uninitiated) differences between two trains in the same colour scheme!
The difference is far from subtle, 185s are very space-inefficient with capacity, seating or otherwise. Combine that with the shorter length and it will certainly be obvious when they can't get a seat, maybe even not be able to board the service at all...
 
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