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WVL14

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Been almost two weeks so here is a Desiro update for those following these;
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444030 (unit 34) in 5-9-19, out 10-9-19
444016 (unit 35) in 10-9-19, out 16-9-19
444002 (unit 36) in 16-9-19, on hand
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450036 (unit 75) in 28-8-19, out 1-9-19
450088 (unit 76) in 31-8-19, out 4-9-19
450042 (unit 77) in 2-9-19*, out 11-9-19 (*change of date in)
450023 (unit 78) in 4-9-19, out 9-9-19
450040 (unit 79) in 9-9-19, out 13-9-19
450108 (unit 80) in 11-9-19, out 16-9-19
450004 (unit 81) in 13-9-19, out 17-9-19
450110 (unit 82) in 16-9-19, on hand
450039 (unit 83) in 17-9-19, on hand
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Hope that helps.
 

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Wow what an update!

I have updated the record on the previous page

Can't seem to copy and paste colours very easily!
 
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Been almost two weeks so here is a Desiro update for those following these;
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444030 (unit 34) in 5-9-19, out 10-9-19
444016 (unit 35) in 10-9-19, out 16-9-19
444002 (unit 36) in 16-9-19, on hand
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450036 (unit 75) in 28-8-19, out 1-9-19
450088 (unit 76) in 31-8-19, out 4-9-19
450042 (unit 77) in 2-9-19*, out 11-9-19 (*change of date in)
450023 (unit 78) in 4-9-19, out 9-9-19
450040 (unit 79) in 9-9-19, out 13-9-19
450108 (unit 80) in 11-9-19, out 16-9-19
450004 (unit 81) in 13-9-19, out 17-9-19
450110 (unit 82) in 16-9-19, on hand
450039 (unit 83) in 17-9-19, on hand
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Hope that helps.
Thanks as ever for the update.

By rough calculation I reckon 444 completion early November and 450 mid December.

I guess that the start date of repaints will be dependent on whether the 442s are available for the December timetable.
 

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Been almost two weeks so here is a Desiro update for those following these;
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444030 (unit 34) in 5-9-19, out 10-9-19
444016 (unit 35) in 10-9-19, out 16-9-19
444002 (unit 36) in 16-9-19, on hand
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450036 (unit 75) in 28-8-19, out 1-9-19
450088 (unit 76) in 31-8-19, out 4-9-19
450042 (unit 77) in 2-9-19*, out 11-9-19 (*change of date in)
450023 (unit 78) in 4-9-19, out 9-9-19
450040 (unit 79) in 9-9-19, out 13-9-19
450108 (unit 80) in 11-9-19, out 16-9-19
450004 (unit 81) in 13-9-19, out 17-9-19
450110 (unit 82) in 16-9-19, on hand
450039 (unit 83) in 17-9-19, on hand
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Hope that helps.
Thank you!
 

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Non-refurbished 444s:

017, 018, 023, 026, 028, 031, 036, and 037(8 units)

The other 37 444s are refurbished. (82% complete)

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

009, 014, 021, 022, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 071, 074, 076, 077, 099, 107, 109, 116 and 118 (9 partly-refurbished)(36 non-refurbished)

The other 82 450s are fully refurbished. (65% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state
 
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No, lots of partially refurbished 450s have already been converted into the finished products for e.g. 450111, 450079, 450007 e.t.c.
Blimey yes I see ! A quick job

Of course even the full refurbishment hsve tables walls and vestibule rails untouched
 

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Blimey yes I see ! A quick job

Of course even the full refurbishment hsve tables walls and vestibule rails untouched
Walls probably wont change. Makes sense since the blue sorta goes with the SWR colour scheme. The rails and tables will hopefully change Something to ask next week in Southampton
 

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Walls probably wont change. Makes sense since the blue sorta goes with the SWR colour scheme. The rails and tables will hopefully change Something to ask next week in Southampton
My guess is that once they ascertained the work required it was simply too much to do within the committed timescale for the refurb. I remember when TPE did the 185 refurbs they said how difficult it was removing the grabrails and other components due to just how solidly the trains were built.

When SWT gave the 450s a (very) light refresh a few years ago, components such as grabrails were touched up in situ rather than being removed and recoated as Southern did with their Electrostars.
 

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Walls probably wont change. Makes sense since the blue sorta goes with the SWR colour scheme. The rails and tables will hopefully change Something to ask next week in Southampton
Are we talking about 450 seat back tables now, because the only proper tables, in the resited first class area, are new.
 

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My guess is that once they ascertained the work required it was simply too much to do within the committed timescale for the refurb. I remember when TPE did the 185 refurbs they said how difficult it was removing the grabrails and other components due to just how solidly the trains were built.

When SWT gave the 450s a (very) light refresh a few years ago, components such as grabrails were touched up in situ rather than being removed and recoated as Southern did with their Electrostars.
So they cant have a new colour applied without being removed then? LNR seemed to have managed it well with their refurbishment?
 

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So they cant have a new colour applied without being removed then? LNR seemed to have managed it well with their refurbishment?
The usual way to treat a grab rail is to remove the whole thing and powdercoat it. Bit difficult doing it in situ.
 

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The usual way to treat a grab rail is to remove the whole thing and powdercoat it. Bit difficult doing it in situ.
Thats odd as like i said LNR have desiros and they have managed to remove the rails and re paint all of them very well
 

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Thats odd as like i said LNR have desiros and they have managed to remove the rails and re paint all of them very well
Nothing odd about it at all if you read my posts. I was talking about the speedy turnarounds required for each refurb. With LNR what did the refurbs entail and how long did each unit take?
 

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Nothing odd about it at all if you read my posts. I was talking about the speedy turnarounds required for each refurb. With LNR what did the refurbs entail and how long did each unit take?
Only 1 unit has been done so far. Not alot is known about the condition inside since it was taken out of service the next day except 1 video which doesn’t show alot.
We know like the SWR refurb though. New seat covers. Re painted rails. New carpets throughout. First class isnt going to be relocated however but new PIS dislays have been installed alongside current old dislays. Plugs are expected to be there but no footage yet.
Interior took 1 week to do like SWR however with it being the first unit it does take a while compared to when refurbishment program really gets going
 

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Only 1 unit has been done so far. Not alot is known about the condition inside since it was taken out of service the next day except 1 video which doesn’t show alot.
We know like the SWR refurb though. New seat covers. Re painted rails. New carpets throughout. First class isnt going to be relocated however but new PIS dislays have been installed alongside current old dislays. Plugs are expected to be there but no footage yet.
Interior took 1 week to do like SWR however with it being the first unit it does take a while compared to when refurbishment program really gets going
The 450s take 4-5 days to do, so there may be the difference.
 

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But in general whether its a 350 or 450 or 444 its a week inside and a week outside. Even if its specifically just 5 days (a working week)
Oh well, whatever. What would I know anyway? Perhaps someone on the project decided they liked orange with blue. Let's move on.
 

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