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swifty

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The 19 is still operated with a mix of Single and Double Deckers, so the bridge obviously isn't an issue!

The height limit was lowered a few years ago so Geminis are to high to go under now. Hence the 42 being rerouted via the estate when it operated to Keynsham.

The only deckers that can go under are the ALX400s - which is why you very rarely see any other deckers on the 19.
 
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Whiteway215

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The height limit was lowered a few years ago so Geminis are to high to go under now. Hence the 42 being rerouted via the estate when it operated to Keynsham.

The only deckers that can go under are the ALX400s - which is why you very rarely see any other deckers on the 19.
Thanks for that Swifty. So the ALX400s will have to go on forever!!!
 

Marcus Fryer

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The 19 is still operated with a mix of Single and Double Deckers, so the bridge obviously isn't an issue!
The 19/19A don't go under the bridge at Bitton, only the 37. My understanding is that since the 1st September the 37 no longer interworks with the 19/19A, but with the 178, and is booked to be operated by a mixture of B7RLE and Streetlites.
 

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Think that's the point. If they have the resources. The 5 doesn't need deckers - I've been on it in peak and whilst a Dart gets a bit full, it doesn't need any larger. However, a decker can substitute for a single if they need to and yes, I've been on one of the former Bath P&R Geminis on there. The 96 is similar where singles often work it as do deckers depending what's available. There have been rumours about the Darts being replaced at various times and it did seem that their days were numbered at one point but they're still there.

With the 24 being converted, it leaves very few routes needing single deckers - think the Bath 5, the 126 (overhanging buildings in Axbridge?) and the D1 (as full height deckers can't fit under the 14'0 bridge at Wilton) are the ones that still exist.
There is also the X8 as a decker is too high to go under Nailsea and Backwell Station.

Banwell and Axbridge are the main reason for not operating deckers on the 126, though there are other parts of the route where it would be a bit tight. When Weston depot used to send the VR and Limp-a-long open tops to Cheddar for the George tour, they had to go to Edithmead then back down the A38 onto the A371. If a decker is needed to go from Weston to Wells now, it has to go to Bridgwater then via Glastonbury and Street.

The height limit was lowered a few years ago so Geminis are to high to go under now. Hence the 42 being rerouted via the estate when it operated to Keynsham.

The only deckers that can go under are the ALX400s - which is why you very rarely see any other deckers on the 19.
I would presume if an ALX400 would fit, the only other deckers capable of going under Bitton Railway Bridge Are the Scanias.

Deckers do still operate under there for the Oldfield School 37A journeys operated by Bath, with the main service operated by Marlborough Street B7RLEs or Street****es.
 

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There is also the X8 as a decker is too high to go under Nailsea and Backwell Station.

Banwell and Axbridge are the main reason for not operating deckers on the 126, though there are other parts of the route where it would be a bit tight. When Weston depot used to send the VR and Limp-a-long open tops to Cheddar for the George tour, they had to go to Edithmead then back down the A38 onto the A371. If a decker is needed to go from Weston to Wells now, it has to go to Bridgwater then via Glastonbury and Street.


I would presume if an ALX400 would fit, the only other deckers capable of going under Bitton Railway Bridge Are the Scanias.

Deckers do still operate under there for the Oldfield School 37A journeys operated by Bath, with the main service operated by Marlborough Street B7RLEs or Street****es.

Of course - forgot all about the X8. Doh!

The Scanias are 13’10?
 

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There is also the X8 as a decker is too high to go under Nailsea and Backwell Station.

Banwell and Axbridge are the main reason for not operating deckers on the 126, though there are other parts of the route where it would be a bit tight. When Weston depot used to send the VR and Limp-a-long open tops to Cheddar for the George tour, they had to go to Edithmead then back down the A38 onto the A371. If a decker is needed to go from Weston to Wells now, it has to go to Bridgwater then via Glastonbury and Street.


I would presume if an ALX400 would fit, the only other deckers capable of going under Bitton Railway Bridge Are the Scanias.

Deckers do still operate under there for the Oldfield School 37A journeys operated by Bath, with the main service operated by Marlborough Street B7RLEs or Street****es.
Stageocach operated an old ALX400 on the 432 yesterday which does pass under the bridge at Bitton.
 

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Or improve the drivers ?

At least investigate what it is they are missing when approaching the bridge ?

It's a really awkwardly shaped bridge mind. Drivers have to approach it in the middle so essentially need to get oncoming traffic to wait before they can come through.
 

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Or improve the drivers ?

At least investigate what it is they are missing when approaching the bridge ?
In fairness to them, it's an awkward bridge, which requires turning at a certain angle in order to avoid missing it. The fact that there have been relatively few incidents there over the years is testament to the skill of the drivers who must navigate that bridge multiple times a day. I doubt I could do it
 

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37772 outbound from Bath on a 172 or 173 or 174 broken down at the end of the three lane road A367 beyond Odd Down P&R at 16.30. Still there at 18.30 and I couldn't see anyone attending to it.
 

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Pity about 30871. It seemed a reliable bus in daily use with its mate 30877 and normally on long distance 19/19A. Given its age I assume it will go for scrap. Has anyone seen how bad the damage is?
From the front photos I saw, and the fact that the road was completely open again with 30 mins, it wasn't too bad.
It looked as though the vehicle hadnt hit the start of the arched part of the bridge, but almost veered left mid way through the arch so there didn't look to have been the usual massive forces that deroof buses.
 

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In fairness to them, it's an awkward bridge, which requires turning at a certain angle in order to avoid missing it. The fact that there have been relatively few incidents there over the years is testament to the skill of the drivers who must navigate that bridge multiple times a day. I doubt I could do it
Don't forget it is actually two bridges in one. The northern half is a steel deck 'rectangular' bridge, whereas the southern half is an arched brick bridge. The Network Rail signs attached to it at road level treat it as 2.
Also, the road isn't in the middle of the arch, but to one side - the east pavement (the one most people use) being narrower than the west one.
 

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Or improve the drivers ?

At least investigate what it is they are missing when approaching the bridge ?
The picture in the article shows what the issue is, an arched bridge hidden behind a more modern 'goalpost' type bridge. As people have said it's almost a surprise that more vehicles haven't hit it and it also forms a pinch point because of the way high vehicles have to approach it. The picture suggests that the driver might have had to avoid something however that may have been how it was parked afterwards.
 

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Is 47435, 47436, 47437, 47438, 47439, 47440, 47441 going to Scotland aswell or are they staying.
 

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Saw a Pointer Dart SLF on the A3 when I was in Weston-super-Mare a couple of days ago.

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I know the beginning of the week a Streetlite was on it because one of the E200MMCs was off of the road, so the Streetlite must have had issues and was replaced.

Yesterday, one of the E200MMCs expired and the Dart was the only thing available at the time. It really is a last resort for one of those to be used. However, the drivers prefer them to a Streetlite.
 

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The picture in the article shows what the issue is, an arched bridge hidden behind a more modern 'goalpost' type bridge. As people have said it's almost a surprise that more vehicles haven't hit it and it also forms a pinch point because of the way high vehicles have to approach it. The picture suggests that the driver might have had to avoid something however that may have been how it was parked afterwards.

I’ve driven deckers under that bridge 300+ times - it’s easy to avoid the arch if you follow the white lines provided for high vehicles.
 

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I’ve driven deckers under that bridge 300+ times - it’s easy to avoid the arch if you follow the white lines provided for high vehicles.
Yeah - it's not like bridge strikes happen every day. In truth, we don't know the circumstances of the incident. Could easily have been a car approaching and the bus driver took evasive action....

Is 47435, 47436, 47437, 47438, 47439, 47440, 47441 going to Scotland aswell or are they staying.
Doubt the branded vehicles will go. Plenty of unbranded examples can go before them
 

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Is the plan still for the long StreetLites to head to Leicester?

Wonder if the 8 will be deckered at some point?
Who knows, it would certainly follow recent trends, and the demand does justify it. I remember when 69449-60 first arrived they were deployed on the 8, but didn't last, I think for being too big??
 

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Out of interest I looked on the Timsbury Community website. It states BANES Council are expected to sign a contract with CT Coaches to continue the 179 from 10 November on a two and a half hour frequency until August 2020.
A long article on the Bath Chronicle (Somerset Live) website today about saving the 179. First are giving it up so would that save a couple of Solos or is it currently a one bus operation?
 

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