Transdev have been promising me maps to show where the Keighley tickets are valid for years. The printed Keighley Jets timetable does include the limits of the K zone tickets, but that the only one I know of.
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Competition heats up between Transdev and Connexions
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Transdev have been promising me maps to show where the Keighley tickets are valid for years. The printed Keighley Jets timetable does include the limits of the K zone tickets, but that the only one I know of.
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RustySpoons
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Maps would be a lot better for showing ticket boundaries than descriptions.
Way back when in the pre-Transdev days they used to have boundary maps printed on the back of the ticket holders (for weekly and monthly tickets).
They would (or, even better, both), but the new website has neither.
And into Transdev days. They were very good.
One of the annoyances with Transdev is that Blazefield produced much of the best publicity in the industry explaining fares, fare rises, ticket validity and so on.
markymark2000
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I do wonder why the fare information in the nicer format is hidden under' help centre'. They have a good looking area for fares there, would be much better under a Fares and Tickets page with the 'Buy Tickets' on that page.
Also Network Maps should really be on the 'Routes and Maps' page and not again hidden away in the help centre.
Also Network Maps should really be on the 'Routes and Maps' page and not again hidden away in the help centre.
Its better with network map provided now. Havent travel a transdev bus for 10 years as I cant figure out how to plan my trip from their web site.
And does anybody know if the York & Country being a new operations set-up to take over tendered route in York?
And does anybody know if the York & Country being a new operations set-up to take over tendered route in York?
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York & Country isn’t a new operation, it’s just the name used for the non-branded services that operate out of their York depot. They have, as you suggest, recently gained some more tendered services from City of York Council under retendering.
Just have a look on the map, a bit surprise to found some of them are overlapping with area currently severed by First.
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Very counter intuitive. No one would know to look under 'Help' for a map, like you say 'Routes and Maps' would be the common sense place to put them.
Plenty of routes will overlap other companies services at times.
njlawley
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I just find it extremely odd that Y&C is listed solely as a route, not within the operating companies.
The 14 is an evening fill in for Connexions 13 and Firsts 12 at times neither of those operators run their services, the 19 is Saturday journeys on a route Reliance operate Mon-Fri, the 20 is a long standing contract Transdev have and the 24-26 were previously operated by Arriva. What is really awkward is their are no links to the York site from any other site short of going to front page Transdev site (found by linking on the Transdev logo at the top of the page) where York & Country is listed as a "popular route"! and not accessible from the keyed map at the top with York prominent in it which takes you to the Coastliner services only. Seems the banner across the bottom of the page giving links to other sites is fixed across them all so only on the York site does it correctly list all the others. Not particularly helpful for someone looking at the Harrogate site and trying to find the 22 or the Coastliner site and trying to find the 181 (sorry Castleline) or 194.
A separate oddity in Transdev Blazefield land is the Vamooz Fountains Abbey free bus which is actually being worked by Dales & District.
Alexbus12
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X7VTD has had its red express stickers removed and is no longer branded... Begining of the end?
Credit to Oliver's Transport Pictures
https://flic.kr/p/2hdmeVH
Credit to Oliver's Transport Pictures
https://flic.kr/p/2hdmeVH
TheGrandWazoo
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Surely with a lower daytime PVR, they’d require fewer branded vehicles?
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Based at Burnley now too
Alexbus12
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Peak times are still at an every 15 mins aren't they which I presume will use branded buses? Unless they still have enough
Ah okay, thanks
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Five buses are required to maintain the new X41 timetable. It was previously six, and when originally branded as Red Express it was seven. I’m not aware it has ever operated more than every half hour, even at peak times.
TheGrandWazoo
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Half hourly to Manchester (AM) and then every 40 mins to Accrington (PM), hourly during the day. Suggest that the additional peak journeys will use Pride of the North or something similarly non branded.
It still only needs 5 buses, and they’ve got 6.
Hence the 7th is now at Burnley for schools.
PVR as stated above of 5 and their are 6 branded vehicles, 3601-3606.
Nominal rosters with one bus spare at either end of route for large parts of the day
Accrington d 0538 / 0838 / 1138 / 1453 Manchester d 0710 /1010/ 1310 / 1635
Accrington d 0618 / 0938 / 1238 / 1553 Manchester d 0810 / 1110 / 1410 / 1755
Accrington d 0643 / 1418 / 1743 Manchester d 0840 / 1555 / 1915
Accrington d 0713 / 1038 / 1338 / 1648 Manchester d 0910 / 1210/ 1510 / 1835
Ramsbotton d 0704 Accrington d 0753 Manchester d 1715
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The 0934 arrival in Manchester returns out of service to Intack Depot. In the afternoon it operates the 968 from St.Gabriels Sch (Bury) to Rochdale, before running empty into Manchester for the 1715.
You may have noticed the 968 timetable appears on the Blackburn BusCo part of the new website.
TheGrandWazoo
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I was thinking that there might some inter working in the off peak with non RedEx stuff so an unbranded vehicle might be used.
Some folk get exercised by that sort of thing.
Transdev have published some full details of service changes during the cycling championships at https://yorkshire2019travel.com/ which differs in parts to the indications given previously. No workings on the Knaresborough Estates sections of the 1B, 1C and 1D will operate on the 21st between just before midday and c 1640- the 1D along with the other "Route 1" workings will run normally outside of that period -the 1A during the disrupted period will only serve Aspin Lane and not Knaresborough bus station or St James. The short services to Starbeck are to terminate at The Avenue with the returns starting at Forest Lane Head - seems to imply an on street reversal will be needed to turn round.
On the 36 their are no buses to Ripon until the 1755/1800 from Harrogate (1700/1645 from Leeds) and hence 1845 from Ripon after
the 1050 to Ripon (0950 from Leeds) and 1127 return on the 21st and 25th, while on the 24th their is a single am working with the 0600 from Harrogate to form the 0635 through to Leeds.
On the 23rd and 24th an alternative terminus will be used in Ripon at Somerset Row.
The last full length 7s on the 21st before the cycling disruption are the 0825 from Leeds and the 0910 from Harrogate. The split service of Harrogate-Kestrel roundabout and Leeds-Mecure Hotel roundabout Wetherby ends when the 1555 from Leeds and the 1715 from Harrogate will operate the full length of the route.
The 24 aside from not running at all on the 21st has just two workings on the 24th; 0630 and 1730 from Harrogate, 0720 and 1830 from Pateley Bridge. On the 25th those run along with the 0825 and 1000 from Harrogate, 0930 and 1100 from Pateley Bridge.
On the 26th the 1330 from Harrogate, 1430 from Pateley Bridge does not run.
On the 27th the 1000 from Harrogate, 1100 from Pateley Bridge does not run and there is no service from Harrogate after the 1500 but both a 1600 and 1705 from Pateley Bridge are shown.
On the 28th the 1130 1300 and 1430 from Harrogate1230 1400 and 1530 from Pateley Bridge do not run.
The 8 will not run on the 21st or the 27th, the 21 not on the 21st and the 22 will not run between Ripon and Knaresborough on the 21st or during part of the 27th.
On the 36 their are no buses to Ripon until the 1755/1800 from Harrogate (1700/1645 from Leeds) and hence 1845 from Ripon after
the 1050 to Ripon (0950 from Leeds) and 1127 return on the 21st and 25th, while on the 24th their is a single am working with the 0600 from Harrogate to form the 0635 through to Leeds.
On the 23rd and 24th an alternative terminus will be used in Ripon at Somerset Row.
The last full length 7s on the 21st before the cycling disruption are the 0825 from Leeds and the 0910 from Harrogate. The split service of Harrogate-Kestrel roundabout and Leeds-Mecure Hotel roundabout Wetherby ends when the 1555 from Leeds and the 1715 from Harrogate will operate the full length of the route.
The 24 aside from not running at all on the 21st has just two workings on the 24th; 0630 and 1730 from Harrogate, 0720 and 1830 from Pateley Bridge. On the 25th those run along with the 0825 and 1000 from Harrogate, 0930 and 1100 from Pateley Bridge.
On the 26th the 1330 from Harrogate, 1430 from Pateley Bridge does not run.
On the 27th the 1000 from Harrogate, 1100 from Pateley Bridge does not run and there is no service from Harrogate after the 1500 but both a 1600 and 1705 from Pateley Bridge are shown.
On the 28th the 1130 1300 and 1430 from Harrogate1230 1400 and 1530 from Pateley Bridge do not run.
The 8 will not run on the 21st or the 27th, the 21 not on the 21st and the 22 will not run between Ripon and Knaresborough on the 21st or during part of the 27th.
Timetable for Harrogate Electric route 6 has been added to the website referenced in the previous posting; only serves a few stops and is reduced to a hourly service offpeak throughout the event.
Looking at the times of road closures the 36 between Harrogate and Ripon will also be affected between 1340 and 1500 on the 26th, between 1030 and 1200, and 1700-1830, on the 27th, between 1350 and 1510 on the 28th and between 1200 and 1340 on the 29th.
"Route 1" will also be affected on the 27th between 1030 and 1200 and the 7 between Wetherby and Harrogate between 1010 and 1200
Looking at the times of road closures the 36 between Harrogate and Ripon will also be affected between 1340 and 1500 on the 26th, between 1030 and 1200, and 1700-1830, on the 27th, between 1350 and 1510 on the 28th and between 1200 and 1340 on the 29th.
"Route 1" will also be affected on the 27th between 1030 and 1200 and the 7 between Wetherby and Harrogate between 1010 and 1200
Connexions have put details of their services during the cycling championship road closures on their facebook site which can be summarised as
Sat 21 - no service on 412, X1 diverted as per Transdevs 1A, X70 terminates at Follifoot
Mon 23 - Fri 27 no service on X12. X6A operates, diverted, only on Tue 24 and Fri 27.
Fri 27 - No X1 or X70 during relevant road closures, 412 - 1520 ex Wetherby and 1630 ex York do not run, X52 diverted as per Transdevs 36 (and presumably Yorkshire Tigers 747) (Would think that applies to Saturday workings as well)
Sat 21 - no service on 412, X1 diverted as per Transdevs 1A, X70 terminates at Follifoot
Mon 23 - Fri 27 no service on X12. X6A operates, diverted, only on Tue 24 and Fri 27.
Fri 27 - No X1 or X70 during relevant road closures, 412 - 1520 ex Wetherby and 1630 ex York do not run, X52 diverted as per Transdevs 36 (and presumably Yorkshire Tigers 747) (Would think that applies to Saturday workings as well)
Connexions appear to have a won a number of tenders in the latest round of WYMetro contracts as from Oct 28 they have registered the following on VOSA-
781 Meanwood-Otley (Currently Yorkshire Tiger starting at Leeds)
923 Wetherby-Otley (Currently Transdev)
940 Holt Park-Otley (Currrently Transdev peak, Connexions off-peak)
963 Menston-Garnett Wharf Otley - a new service
964 Cambridge Drive-Otley (Currently Transdev)
781 Meanwood-Otley (Currently Yorkshire Tiger starting at Leeds)
923 Wetherby-Otley (Currently Transdev)
940 Holt Park-Otley (Currrently Transdev peak, Connexions off-peak)
963 Menston-Garnett Wharf Otley - a new service
964 Cambridge Drive-Otley (Currently Transdev)
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Good to see a fantastic independent taking on more routes.
TheGrandWazoo
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Fantastic?
Decent, yes, but fantastic? Er no....and from a poster who continually complains about Transdev’s #amazing hashtag
TheGrandWazoo
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Some of these been Connexions before - Wetherby to Otley was??
Move to Solos rather than MPDs. 923 is a nice run.
Yes, Connexions used to run all the Otley local services until Transdev won most of them in the last tender. Before that, First ran most of them, including the previous incarnation of the 963 which was Ilkley - Otley - Bradford. Around 1999 - 2001 I was a regular on that.
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Didn't transdev use the 963 number for a while for buses between otley and wharfedale hospital. Thought this was when the 940 was cut back to holt park to otley only
TheGrandWazoo
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Thanks for that.
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