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CaptainHaddock
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Sorry to reactivate an old thread but I'm thinking of making a journey to Llandudno this weekend and noticed that there's a direct 0942 Crewe to Llandudno train (headcode 1T01). Is this stll the Sumer Satrudays loco hauled set?
PHILIPE
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It is, but you can't rely on it running. It depends on train crew availability but may be confirmed until the day before
CaptainHaddock
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Thanks for the warning; in the end I went somewhere else instead but checking TOPs it looks like 1T01 was cancelled from Crewe and started at Chester instead.
40fan
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It was worked by 2x150, 1T01 started from Chester, rest of diagram ran as normal. Reason for cancellation at Crewe was no driver.
The only people that sign it are Crewe/Holyhead drivers and Shrewsbury/Holyhead guards. I believe Holyhead cover all the North Wales work apart from Crewe to Chester. With hindsight it would work better to plan its use on Saturdays into the WTT and arrange crew diagrams to cover it. Put it on a two car diagram and use that to couple to another two car. So two sets go up from two to four cars. The ad hoc reliefs are lightly used because, if they run, they are only advertised last minute so the general public aim for the wedged out units.
PHILIPE
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It's a bit late for the WTT this year and it won't exist as such next year due to 67s and Mark IVs on Cardiff to Holyheads and the Manchester being a 175
PHILIPE
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Had just posted here before I read your thread. Other than being dead I don't know the actual cause:-
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/tfw-to-operate-class-37s-on-the-rhymney-line.181251/page-16
Oops - apologies I forgot about the other thread!
craigybagel
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Almost correct - Llandudno Junction guards also sign it, and Monday to Friday they normally work all the Manchester services (the original Cardiff service is worked by Holyhead guards). On the weekend, as with on a weekday it requires a Crewe driver and Shrewsbury guard to prep the set at Crewe and bring it off the depot. They can then bring it to Chester and hand over to a North Wales crew for the rest of the day. A Crewe driver then brings it back on to Crewe depot at the end of the day. If no Crewe driver is available, the set can't leave the depot and other units will need to be found.
Yes I understand that. I wonder if any more train crew will be trained on the hauled sets. Hopefully the set that ends Holyhead Friday night will be used on summer Saturdays next year.
craigybagel
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There are 4 seperate sets of traction training needing to take place across TfW in the next few months as it is, it's going to be hard to increase the numbers that sign LHCS any time soon.
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In other news related to LHCS at TFW, 67008 is currently at Crewe EMD getting mods for working with the MkIVs. Proper Driver/Guard communication and interlock apparently.
I went to Holyhead on the loco-hauled set (67010) yesterday just for the ride and didn't stay long. I noted the through roads at Bangor, evidently not used recently, and there is one at Rhyl (westbound). Not much passes Rhyl without stopping. I knew that the westbound platform at Abergele had been built out to meet the through line and the loop removed.
krus_aragon
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Rhyl's through road, like the one gone from Abergele, seemed to have been kept when boat trains ran out-of-course to meet their sailings, to the best of my knowledge. (Letting a limited-stop boat train bypass a local stopper to get to Holyhead in time.)
Bangor's had those through roads since it was built 170 years ago. With no loco-hauled trains terminating at Bangor any more (and no need to run-around) they see little use other than freight trundling through to or from Holyhead, or stabling a Voyager that terminates at Bangor in the evening (if not using the sidings behind platform 2 to stable between turns).
Thanks for the explanation.
I did in 1983 and not been back!
1D33 run non stop from Chester to Llandudno Junction but curiously it normally runs through the down platform. Is there a fault with the through line?
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