Jorge Da Silva
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Redcar British Steel to stop being served to speed up journey times.
Redcar British Steel to stop being served to speed up journey times.
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DarloRich
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Using the same mechanism as used for IBM halt? A "temporary" suspension of service?
Jorge Da Silva
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Any chance of redevelopment for Redcar British Steel as IBM could be?
Kite159
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Makes sense.
If IBM is anything to go by last year there will be a pick up of visitors, although it is slightly harder to visit.
If IBM is anything to go by last year there will be a pick up of visitors, although it is slightly harder to visit.
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Probably. The station is structurally sound unlike Teesside Airport which is falling to pieces. It will depend on how the redevelopment of the SSI site develops under the South Tees Development Corporation. They do say that they intend to incorporate it into their plans.
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If it does reopen I imagine it will be with a new name.
I don't think it will, if the station is used again in the future I reckon they will stick with the name as a nod to the steel industry that they are enormously proud of up here.
RichmondCommu
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If there's literally no reason for anyone to alight at the station why keep it open?
NoMorePacers
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Norton Bridge only closed 13 years after the last train stopped there, so I doubt RBS will be closed just yet.
HSTEd
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Because if you allow this this mechanism will effectively make the protections against arbitrary closures of stations toothless and irrelevant.
At which point stations will start dropping like flies for operational convenience.
Jorge Da Silva
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In fact I think IBM and RBS will be reopened. But the problem is unlike Norton Bridge (where they were never reinstated and bridge was removed so became too expensive to reinstate) these both have plans to redevelop so they have been stopped temporarily until such a time occurs. Also its 3 closed (Manchester United).
RichmondCommu
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Surely operational convenience should come before a railway station which no one has any reason to use. If the site is then used for something else then reopen it.
People should be mourning the loss of well paid jobs and not in my opinion at least a station that no one is going to use.
HSTEd
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Today the station being closed is one that no one has any reason to use.
Tomorrow it will be used on a station that people want to use.
RichmondCommu
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Let's wait and see shall we?
Tetchytyke
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I think it's a fair point, actually. "Operational convenience" covers a lot of things, and not all of them are in passengers' interests. There are too many examples on the WCML to trust them, and you'd also look at the village stations north of Newcastle as a risk of losing services "temporarily" if the new timetable doesn't work.
HSTEd
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Problem is this sort of thing is almost impossible to stop once you let them start.
221129
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Paranoid much?
HSTEd
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Yes.
Doesn't mean I'm wrong does it?
Flexibility is hardly the thing the railways do best.
Buses do flexibility, Rail does bulk.
I don't really see the difference between withdrawing the service totally, and the multitude of stations that already get by on a 'token' service (e.g. Reddish South, Shippea Hill, Clifton, Bordesley etc.). It's not a new thing. And I don't see swathes of stations across the network unfairly robbed of services.
221129
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Which is exactly why those stationed should be mothballed!
61653 HTAFC
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Isn't that effectively what's happening?
I agree that we should proceed with caution, but there's a big difference between both IBM and British Steel Redcar which were both built to serve industrial sites which have closed, and places like Ravensthorpe, Chathill and even Denton.
There was every reason to close Breich, but instead it was retained despite barely anyone using it: because it wasn't in the same situation as IBM.
Manchester United station has not closed. Its services have been suspended at the clubs request. It has only ever had services for football matches. Northern stated the club was concerned about health and safety risks.
There's also examples of routes which have been variously operated for 6 months and then not for 6 months. For instance Milford Junction to Gascoigne Wood Junction - where TPE are specifically required to operate as per their franchise obligations.
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The majority of the stations that have closed on this side of privatisation have been dealt with in pretty much the same way. Stations like Folkestone Harbour, Newhaven Marine and Norton Bridge have simply faded into history. Its nothing new.
DarloRich
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Agreed - but the experts here insisted IBM was a one off/special case/ insert excuse for failing to follow statutory process and that it was nothing to worry about.........
DarloRich
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Disagree. Follow the procedure and close them. The fact that the procedure doesnt give you carte blanche to do as you wish is not an excuse.
DarloRich
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Exactly! Many here simply cant or wont acknowledge that. At some point procedual "creativity " will hit them and the whining will start!
Want to close a station? Do it properly
Bletchleyite
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But should there not be a process for mothballing a station, which would allow it not to be served (like these two) but would require maintenance of the infrastructure for reopening within a defined period and allow all derogations from regulations it previously had to remain in existence?
This should clearly have safeguards, but not as strong as an outright closure.
After all, they could just Parly it...
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