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Is Veganism a Fad?

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hooverboy

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It's a slippery slope, don'tcha know? Sure you have choice NOW, but if THEY keep demanding greater recognition, we will soon all be forced to conform to their snowflake ways incase we offend them!!. We have to stand up for TRADITIONAL English food!! Our culture is being eroded by these cow huggers!!!!

Or something like that. :D

vegetarians are demon posessed. it's in the bible ( 1 timothy 4 )
 
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vegetarians are demon posessed. it's in the bible ( 1 timothy 4 )
Interestingly, the inerrant, perfect word of God says either:
King James Version said:
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith... ...and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
or changes it to
New International Version said:
...They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods...
Since my doctor says that I'm not supposed to have 13 pints does that mean he's possessed?
 

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I know we're "joking and joshing and jocular" -- but re the "giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" 1 Timothy 4 1 -- 2 thing: if I understand it rightly, the guy is referring to religious leaders' commanding that all adherents (in whatever context) abstain from [stuff mentioned]: if one is impelled to, for oneself, abstain from... that's fine; but making it a law for all of the flock, is a no-no.

Perhaps I've been lucky; but I've never -- so far as I can recall -- encountered "ordinary"-type (= ovo-lacto) vegetarians, or vegans; who preached at others, to do as they did. I have a niece who has quite recently gone vegan, on grounds of environmental and planet's-future concern; but she is a very sweet young lady, who would not dream of taking any "do as I do, or you're scum" position -- it's right for her, but it's not for her to order others around as to how they should live.
 

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vegetarians are demon posessed. it's in the bible ( 1 timothy 4 )

Unfortunately by condemning people who don't eat meat that you are failing to keep to other guidance (also written by Paul) in Romans 14.

I would question your reading of 1 Timothy 4, as it doesn't say that the act of non eating of meat makes you demon posessed. Even teaching on not eating meat doesn't make you demon posessed, as there's several times when New Testament visitants are advised not to eat meat sacrificed to idols.

However, given that God has a great care for his creation (even knowing when a sparrow falls from the sky, even when people assign them very little financial value or clothing the grass in more splendor than Solomon which is just burnt when we're done with it) and hates injustice (and global warming is impacting the poorest countries much more than the richest countries and then the richest can build their way out of such impacts) I would suggest that encouraging people to look at the impact that their meat consumption is having is very much inline with what God desires. Whether people then choose to reduce their meat consumption is between them and God, but certainly isn't a forbidding and therefore doesn't fall into the 1 Timothy 4 issue.
 

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I think there is a mix of people who become vegan (and vegetarian):

1. Those who do it due to their ethics and beliefs
2. Those who do it for health reasons
3. Those who do it because it's become 'fashionable' and increases their chances of gaining social media likes

My personal opinion is that more and more are doing it for reason 3 in the above list
 

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I think there is a mix of people who become vegan (and vegetarian):

1. Those who do it due to their ethics and beliefs
2. Those who do it for health reasons
3. Those who do it because it's become 'fashionable' and increases their chances of gaining social media likes

My personal opinion is that more and more are doing it for reason 3 in the above list
Personally I agree that this is becoming the case.
 

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And from my experience, a lot of vegans are simply not content with just being vegan - rather, they feel as if they need to take it upon themselves to convert every single person on the planet to their ideology.
I've been vegetarian myself for 22 years. In those 22 years, I've met a lot of omnivores who are not content for me to make my own choices on what I eat / don't eat and take it upon themselves to try to convert me back to a meat-eating ominivore. There is definitely a significant cohort of society who seem to be threatened by anyone who chooses to adopt any behaviour other than that which they deem as 'acceptable'.
 

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I've been vegetarian myself for 22 years. In those 22 years, I've met a lot of omnivores who are not content for me to make my own choices on what I eat / don't eat and take it upon themselves to try to convert me back to a meat-eating ominivore. There is definitely a significant cohort of society who seem to be threatened by anyone who chooses to adopt any behaviour other than that which they deem as 'acceptable'.
I was speaking to my Mum, who’s a vegetarian, about this recently and she said that’s exactly what she gets. She never tries to persuade people to become vegetarian but she’s had plenty of meat eaters try to convince her to “convert back”.
 

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Unfortunately by condemning people who don't eat meat that you are failing to keep to other guidance (also written by Paul) in Romans 14.

I would question your reading of 1 Timothy 4, as it doesn't say that the act of non eating of meat makes you demon posessed. Even teaching on not eating meat doesn't make you demon posessed, as there's several times when New Testament visitants are advised not to eat meat sacrificed to idols.

However, given that God has a great care for his creation (even knowing when a sparrow falls from the sky, even when people assign them very little financial value or clothing the grass in more splendor than Solomon which is just burnt when we're done with it) and hates injustice (and global warming is impacting the poorest countries much more than the richest countries and then the richest can build their way out of such impacts) I would suggest that encouraging people to look at the impact that their meat consumption is having is very much inline with what God desires. Whether people then choose to reduce their meat consumption is between them and God, but certainly isn't a forbidding and therefore doesn't fall into the 1 Timothy 4 issue.

well yeah,ok point taken.
I don't think the big man is entirely pleased with production line abbatoirs either( says somewhere that meat should be eaten with thanksgiving..ie a bit of respect and prayer for the animal now on said plate)

I don't have a particular problem with meat free monday, wokkie wednesday etc. just people who endlessly whinge about how meat consumption(like smoking) is the sole purpose of all societies ills.
God help society when they plant microphones into cabbage fields and record them screaming as they are visciously plucked from the soil!:D
what then do we live on???...has someone invented introvenus chlorophyll so we can live on sunlight?

it s a religion, and unbelievers are heretics!..it's no better than ISIS or the inquisition(yes these people who are hardcore adherents to the faith are just as dangerous)
 

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I was speaking to my Mum, who’s a vegetarian, about this recently and she said that’s exactly what she gets. She never tries to persuade people to become vegetarian but she’s had plenty of meat eaters try to convince her to “convert back”.

most of the vegetarians I have met are thoroughly miserable people.they don't stop moaning.
sad fact of life...predators(omnivors/carnivores) have eyes in the front of their heads(like humans do), prey(herbivores) have them at the side.
 

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There wouldn't be as many vegans as there currently are if it wasn't "trendy", and it probably is a fad that'll go away at some point.

I personally do not have an issue with someone being vegan - quite frankly I couldn't give a baboon's testicle what someone else ate - as long as they don't attempt to force it on me. And from my experience, a lot of vegans are simply not content with just being vegan - rather, they feel as if they need to take it upon themselves to convert every single person on the planet to their ideology - and I find it extremely irritating that they do this (also stuff like protesting at a farm that the people who run it are murderers, while ignoring that our government happily sells weapons to countries that publicly behead their citizens, but that's going off-topic).

Eloquently said!
 

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Good grief, and people call vegans judgemental! :lol:

My other half is vegan, and no she doesn’t demand that the kids or I am...
This means that generally (unless we go out) we have a vegan meal for dinner (we take turns in cooking evening meals).
Personally I’m happy to eat pretty much anything, and it’s easy to make an interesting vegan meal these days.
There’s been some interesting and valid points raised in this thread about things like soya etc which definitely are questionable, but not everyone (as is always the case in life) fits into the huge sweeping statement of “All vegans are like this”.
Get a grip people.
 

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There is definitely a significant cohort of society who seem to be threatened by anyone who chooses to adopt any behaviour other than that which they deem as 'acceptable'.

i wonder how many voted for Brexit?

Get a grip people.

exactly! free choice and all that! this thread has descended into silliness as shown below!

most of the vegetarians I have met are thoroughly miserable people.they don't stop moaning.

I know loads of veggies. None are more or less miserbale than anyone else.

sad fact of life...predators(omnivors/carnivores) have eyes in the front of their heads(like humans do), prey(herbivores) have them at the side.

and most veggies i have met have their eyes in the usual place.

I think there is a mix of people who become vegan (and vegetarian):

1. Those who do it due to their ethics and beliefs
2. Those who do it for health reasons
3. Those who do it because it's become 'fashionable' and increases their chances of gaining social media likes

My personal opinion is that more and more are doing it for reason 3 in the above list

Personally I agree that this is becoming the case.

who cares? What's it to you?
 

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I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of vegans are not the noisy, preachy types, and just go about their daily lives never talking about it unless the subject comes up. Indeed quite a few people I know have been vegan for some time, and the only time it will ever come up as a subject is if they've made something new that they liked, and so shared. I've tried a few recipes, generally ones that don't involve meat substitutes and they've been great.

However from purely anecdotal observations, the shoutiest vegans tend to be ones who have made the decision either directly for environmental reasons, or indirectly through partner or peer pressure. It tends to be this particular group of converts that seem to feel the need to preach to all and sundry, indeed one friend of mine went from being a long time veggie to militant vegan, losing most of his friends in the process (including a fair few vegans).

Now I understand that some people are passionate about making a difference, but meat eating is not the sole cause of man made climate change & impact. Recently I was shouted at by a group of vegan activists outside a McDonalds because I had inadvertently walked across some protest message written in chalk on the pavement. I wouldn't have minded, but I hadn't even gone to said fast food outlet (I refuse to call them restaurants), I'd rather chew my own arm off than eat that crap. Worse still when I asked them, albeit slightly sarcastically, if had they travelled far, at least one had driven from the South West just to attend this shouting match.

I just raised an eyebrow and walked slowly away....
 

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In this thread, some people have used alot of hyperbole to complain about the hyperbolic claims of some vegans without any visible sign of irony.
 

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I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of vegans are not the noisy, preachy types, and just go about their daily lives never talking about it unless the subject comes up. Indeed quite a few people I know have been vegan for some time, and the only time it will ever come up as a subject is if they've made something new that they liked, and so shared. I've tried a few recipes, generally ones that don't involve meat substitutes and they've been great.
In practice, many lifelong vegans are those from a culture with a religious slant on why the exclusions of consumption of anything involving animals is adhered to. Religious beliefs are rarely forced on people outside their own families. Also there isn't that much difference between true vegetarian and vegan diets anyway with the exception of dairy products.

However from purely anecdotal observations, the shoutiest vegans tend to be ones who have made the decision either directly for environmental reasons, or indirectly through partner or peer pressure. It tends to be this particular group of converts that seem to feel the need to preach to all and sundry, indeed one friend of mine went from being a long time veggie to militant vegan, losing most of his friends in the process (including a fair few vegans). ...
The environmental 'justification' is specious much of the time as so many raw materials and ingredients are imported from far away that whatever the saving on greenhouse gas by removing meat from their diet brings, is largely wiped-out by freight CO2 generation. Veganism made sense in regions where it has been practiced for centuries, i.e. before food was carried across the world, but compared to a normal omnivore's diet (which doesn't mean meat with every meal), the difference is probably far less. A vegan that was committed to their environmental claims would eat only fruit and vegetables grown locally and in season to where it is eaten, as has been the case for true vegans the world over for centuries. Anything else in a western industrialised nation like the UK is just paying lip service to a cause of as has been suggested by many, just following the latest fad.
 

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The environmental 'justification' is specious much of the time as so many raw materials and ingredients are imported from far away that whatever the saving on greenhouse gas by removing meat from their diet brings, is largely wiped-out by freight CO2 generation.
Is this based on fact, or just guesswork?
A vegan that was committed to their environmental claims would eat only fruit and vegetables grown locally and in season to where it is eaten, as has been the case for true vegans
Can vegans not make compromises over environmental issues just like everybody else does?
 

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I have no problem with any of this 'inclusivity' as long as it isn't shoved down my throat. I particularly object to trying to have a quiet KFC :lol: and a load of Vegan protestors come in tipping blood everywhere and calling a chicken murder.

I would say it could be argued that veganism, certainly on a mass scale, with lots of pesticides and large farm machinery - that more animals are killed of harmed a long with the destruction of their habitats than having some cows/sheep munching on some grass organically like they have for many years.

If population growth is a problem, then we need to somehow tackle that.
 

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who cares? What's it to you?

I don't really care and in the grand scheme of things it makes no difference to my life as I will continue to enjoy eating meat.

However, this is a discussion forum and someone has asked a question regarding it so I've put my thoughts and opinions forward because that's what you do on a discussion forum. From this a certain percentage will agree with me and a certain percentage will have differing thoughts (and, of course, an incredibly small percentage will respond along the lines of 'that's silly' or 'who cares' without really offering any further discussion) because that's just the way discussions/debates work, not just on a railway forum but in life in general.

What I will say to you is that I find it quite ironic that you've come onto this thread, responded to a number of posts and then asked me 'who cares?'. Well in answer to your question (again, just to reiterate, that's what generally happens when a question is asked) you clearly care!
 

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Is this based on fact, or just guesswork?
It’s logical - what’s produced more CO2 in production - beef from Aberdeenshire or quorn/other meat alternatives shipped in from South America?

Can vegans not make compromises over environmental issues just like everybody else does?
It’s more that lots of vegans claim to be vegan for environmental reasons
 

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wow! I never imagined that choices that some make over their meat/dairy consumption could be judged such a threat to the world as some wish to see it. Get over yourselves people and see somebody to address your intolerance traits - it's you that has the issues, believe me.
I'm an omnivore but as I have aged, I choose far less meat & dairy in my diet. I don't impose my choices on anyone else.
 

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It’s logical - what’s produced more CO2 in production - beef from Aberdeenshire or quorn/other meat alternatives shipped in from South America?


It’s more that lots of vegans claim to be vegan for environmental reasons

Quorn (mycoprotein) is "grown" in factories, so doesn't need to be shipped from anywhere.

One thing that's generally ignored by the anti-meat farming lobby is that many livestock farms are on land completely unsuitable for crop growing, for example many sheep farms in North Wales and cattle farms in Scotland.
 

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Beef production's problem is less about CO2, more about methane.
Methane is an issue, but it's solvable. The bigger issue is clearing of land for grazing (or for growing soya to feed the cattle).
 
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