Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion

OmniCity999 · 15 Sep 2019

route101 said:
64 plates , theres not many of them , kind like bridge to the B5TLs are they not?

The 64 plates are B5TLs

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Jordan Adam · 15 Sep 2019

route101 said:
64 plates , theres not many of them , kind like bridge to the B5TLs are they not?

As per what i said above:
The 64 plates are the original Gemini 3 body using the "Wright Millennium" design that the MK1 and MK2 are based on, however on the original MK3 there was major changes to the interior design along with shallower upper deck windows. Around a year later Wright came out with a facelifted version ditching the Millennium design known as the "Stealth".

OmniCity999 said:
Lack of Wright logo was previous managements style choice. It was thought to be sleeker. But the nee management like having all the right logos in all the right places. So all of Lothians Gemini's, Gemini 2's (And Gemini 3's between 2014-2015). Arrived badgeless OR these were removed shortly after arrival.

Shouldn't that be "all the wright logos in all the wright places"?..

Sorry i couldn't resist. :lol:

ScotRail158725 · 15 Sep 2019

Jordan Adam said:
As per what i said above:
The 64 plates are the original Gemini 3 body using the "Wright Millennium" design that the MK1 and MK2 are based on, however on the original MK3 there was major changes to the interior design along with shallower upper deck windows. Around a year later Wright came out with a facelifted version ditching the Millennium design known as the "Stealth".

Shouldn't that be "all the wright logos in all the wright places"?..

Sorry i couldn't resist.

ahahah, good one

CM · 15 Sep 2019

route101 said:
64 plates , theres not many of them , kind like bridge to the B5TLs are they not?

The 64 plates are B5TLs.

scosutsut · 15 Sep 2019

Thanks @Jordan Adam and @OmniCity999 as always for quality answers! The Gemini 3 facelifts do looks the sharpest but they tend to be amongst the shooglyist, if that's even a word!

ScotRail158725 · 15 Sep 2019

scosutsut said:
Thanks @Jordan Adam and @OmniCity999 as always for quality answers! The Gemini 3 facelifts do looks the sharpest but they tend to be amongst the shooglyist, if that's even a word!

ngl i really like the gemini 3 MK2s, unpopular opinion

OmniCity999 · 15 Sep 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Shouldn't that be "all the wright logos in all the wright places"?..

Sorry i couldn't resist.

I appreciate that... hahahaa

ScotRail158725 · 15 Sep 2019

it appears some Ex Lothian tour tridents are up for sale at ensigns

Gingerbus1991 · 15 Sep 2019

Which leads me to wonder why the latest Gemini bodywork hasn't been dubbed Gemini 4 & Eclipse 4, given they are rather different from older models.

ScotRail158725 · 15 Sep 2019

CraigonGLESGA said:
Which leads me to wonder why the latest Gemini bodywork hasn't been dubbed Gemini 4 & Eclipse 4, given they are rather different from older models.

The Gemini 3 MK2 is the same as the MK1 but with a completely different front wich is the only difference

OmniCity999 · 15 Sep 2019

Indeed. It is only a facelift on the front and rear. But it is relatively major.

ScotRail158725 · 15 Sep 2019

OmniCity999 said:
Indeed. It is only a facelift on the front and rear. But it is relatively major.

only rear difference of the 2 geminis is the rear middle window shape

OmniCity999 · 15 Sep 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
only rear difference of the 2 geminis is the rear middle window shape

The rear structure is slightly different, and the section between the windows is a different shape. I agree, it should be two different generations between the Gemini 3 Classic and Gemini 3 facelift.

The front structure is also completely different so it should be two different generations.

Steamysandy · 15 Sep 2019

In view of the news coming out of Ballymena,will it matter if they're Wright or not?

Gingerbus1991 · 15 Sep 2019

Steamysandy said:
In view of the news coming out of Ballymena,will it matter if they're Wright or not?

This perhaps a reason Lothian have moved to ADL for there latest stuff.

90019 · 15 Sep 2019

Probably more to do with the atrocious bulld quality of their recent products.

The 18 plate Gemini 3s at Central are awful buses, and I absolutely hate driving them.
Most buses have at least some good things about them, but with those I'm struggling to find anything at all.

ScotRail158725 · 15 Sep 2019

90019 said:
Probably more to do with the atrocious bulld quality of their recent products.

The 18 plate Gemini 3s at Central are awful buses, and I absolutely hate driving them.
Most buses have at least some good things about them, but with those I'm struggling to find anything at all.

i use them all the time and the build quality is like a 10 year old used glue to build it, all the seats and poles rattle every slight bump. still quite like them though

Driver362 · 15 Sep 2019

OmniCity999 said:
My friends old fleetlist (https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/eb788a_007ecde4cd464e90933956b526fef021.pdf) details the gearbox configurations, it's VERY out of date though! Voith was the choice of old management, then when the B5TL came out, it was cheaper to spec with ZF so they were bought as such. The new management prefer ZF's so they have continued with them.

Thanks so much for that

90019 · 15 Sep 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
i use them all the time and the build quality is like a 10 year old used glue to build it, all the seats and poles rattle every slight bump. still quite like them though

It's the way they felt like they were ready to fall to bits when brand new that really got me.
They've only done 50-60k miles but feel like they've done at least 10 times that.

At least some of them also have the lovely feature of permanently blowing hot air into the cab through vents on the floor that can't be closed or turned off.

AndrewTaylor95 · 16 Sep 2019

The ones ECB have are really bad

ScotRail158725 · 16 Sep 2019

Only 3 55 plate B7s are out today 703-705, 707, 708, 734 & 738 all not in service today and it would appear probobly withdrawn. only 706, 737 & 747 out for the 55 plates

Lothian_Bus · 16 Sep 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
Only 3 55 plate B7s are out today 703-705, 707, 708, 734 & 738 all not in service today and it would appear probobly withdrawn. only 706, 737 & 747 out for the 55 plates

The 44 has nothing newer than an 11 plate on it today. On Saturday it had 13 vehicles that were 15 plate or newer. Bear in mind Lothian are operating a Saturday service today.

Would be very interesting to know how they decide to allocate vehicles on a day to day basis.

scotrail158713 · 16 Sep 2019

Lothian_Bus said:
Bear in mind Lothian are operating a Saturday service today.

Once again showing complete disregard for the majority of their customers. Who’s actually got the day off today? I only know of the schools. They claim there’s a reduction in usage but whenever I see buses on these days they’re absolutely rammed full.

ScotRail158725 · 16 Sep 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
Only 3 55 plate B7s are out today 703-705, 707, 708, 734 & 738 all not in service today and it would appear probobly withdrawn. only 706, 737 & 747 out for the 55 plates

ignore that, 706 & 737 have both been taken off now. Looks like 747 is the only 55 plate remaining

actually completely ignore me because i forgot it was a saturday service today

Darklord8899 · 16 Sep 2019

scotrail158713 said:
Once again showing complete disregard for the majority of their customers. Who’s actually got the day off today? I only know of the schools. They claim there’s a reduction in usage but whenever I see buses on these days they’re absolutely rammed full.

Interesting to note LCB operating a normal weekday service and ECB a School holiday weekday service....
I don't get bank holidays....they are just added to my holiday entitlement

Lothian_Bus · 16 Sep 2019

928-931 back at Central on route 43.

FlybeDash8Q400 · 16 Sep 2019

Lothian_Bus said:
928-931 back at Central on route 43.

No 932-936 have moved to Livi, 43 worked from there since yesterday, read posts on the LC West Lothian page

Ricky Kane · 16 Sep 2019

Onmicity got one for you do you reckon 1029 is a write off

Lothian_Bus · 16 Sep 2019

FlybeDash8Q400 said:
No 932-936 have moved to Livi, 43 worked from there since yesterday, read posts on the LC West Lothian page

Thanks.

ScotRail158725 · 16 Sep 2019

Ricky Kane said:
Onmicity got one for you do you reckon 1029 is a write off

pretty sure its still under inspection

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