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Grace.shooter

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Can anyone give a list of operational and non-operational roles within a TOC.

Operational. Assuming highest is train driver, conductor, CSA, cleaner etc.

Non - train manager, supervisor, signaller.

There are probably loads I have missed but I can't find this info anywhere.

TIA
 
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Eccles1983

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Guard tells the driver what to do.....


Not true.

Doo and places with RA/R dispatch disprove this beyond all doubt.

There is no hierarchy in the sense that you refer. I am no "higher" than a carriage cleaner and wouldn't dream of telling a CSA what to do.

Drivers and Guards are totally different grades.

And realistically I answer a few people - the signaller and my DTM/route controller. And only if permitted in the rule book. Everyone and everything else is irrelevant with regards to operational running of the trains I am on. I work with guards, and a grand job they do as well, but I also work without them.

And top of the tree is the signaller. No one moves until they say so.
 

Eccles1983

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Any driver that takes power on a guarded train without the guard giving 2 on the buzzer wont be a driver for very long...


That's not true. I have already explained where getting 2 isn't going to happen.

Furthermore the guard giving two isn't an instruction to the driver. It's telling the driver that station duties are complete. It's still the drivers job to check that the train is safe to move and then to move it.

It's basic stuff, and the golden rule as a driver is that everyone is out to trip you up.

If I take 2 against a red and spad it = my fault and my record.

This myth of "the guard tells the driver" can be put to bed as debunked. Thanks.
 

UpRoad

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This question could have a lot of varying answers.
There isn’t really a hierarchy. Particular people have higher authority to report to or obey in a given situation.

In one circumstance it would be

ECO
Signaller
Driver

In another it would could be

Network rail control
TOC control
train crew manger
Driver

And as pointed out the difference in DOO to guarded/conducted services would change the process also.

Just for clarity, are you asking the varying roles that come under the different branches?
Operations
Train service delivery
Maintenance

Or is it from a certain perspective (role) in a certain situation?
 

Red18

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Eh? When exactly?

Any driver that takes power on a guarded train without the guard giving 2 on the buzzer wont be a driver for very long...

I think you misunderstand the meaning of two on the buzzer.
That is not the guard telling the driver what to do. It is the guard telling the driver that his/her duties are complete and, as far as the guard is concerned, the train is ready to depart.
The driver then decides when to depart.
 

4F89

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I think you misunderstand the meaning of two on the buzzer.
That is not the guard telling the driver what to do. It is the guard telling the driver that his/her duties are complete and, as far as the guard is concerned, the train is ready to depart.
The driver then decides when to depart.
Still putting the guard as lead...
 

Dieseldriver

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Still putting the guard as lead...
Unsure if you're actually being serious but if so. Feel free to 'lead' the Driver through the myriad of safety critical activities they perform on a daily basis. Departing a station probably works out as, what, 1% of that?
And if you so happen to give the Driver the tip on a red and the Driver has a SPAD, guess who's in more trouble. (I'll give you a clue, it isn't you...)
 

Red18

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In my experience the Driver not only does their job but also has to check that everyone else has done theirs correctly; from dispatcher to guard and even the signaller.
Not many people looking out for the Driver other than the Driver.

Having said that the hierarchy can be different depending on the circumstances.
But generally I would say (in normal day to day operations) the hierarchy is Signaller, Control, Driver, Guard, Dispatch. But everyone has their own role to play and everyone relies on everyone else doing their job correctly (with the Driver checking for everyone ;) )
 

Tom Quinne

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The top of the tree is the ECO in electrified areas, then the signaller, then driver.

Depending on the situation, the PICOP is higher than the Signaller we take instructions from them during T3s.
 

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Most important is the pay clerk. After that everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.
 
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