• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Suggestion for one fare between Stockport and Manchester

Status
Not open for further replies.

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
97,783
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
For most flows in the area, these options are not currently available. For example look at Cheadle Hulme or Heaton Chapel to Manchester, they just have one single and that is that.

I'm working on the basis of single leg pricing i.e. removal of the returns (or them being twice the single if retained).

Note that in that case the single would be about £2 for a return to be about £4, which I do consider reasonable.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Starmill

Veteran Member
Fares Advisor
Joined
18 May 2012
Messages
23,359
Location
Bolton
What about the Virgin Trains Only one?
The Anytime Day Single, Off Peak Day Return and Anytime Day Return from Stockport are available to Manchester Central Zone.

Bizarrely this means that, if you wish to use the tram and Virgin Trains, there are times when it is cheaper to buy the £3.20 return than the £3.40 single. There's an Off Peak Day Single at £3.10, but they have, for whatever reason, forgotten or chosen not to offer this ticket type to Manchester Central Zone.
 

Starmill

Veteran Member
Fares Advisor
Joined
18 May 2012
Messages
23,359
Location
Bolton
In city transport we need to stop thinking about "bus fares" and "train fares" and start considering the entire thing as a transport network - bus, train and tram (and ferry in places like Merseyside).
I agree with this very much, but it would require central government money to work. The bus industry would have to be regulated, and the tramway fares would have to come down quite a bit through subsidy which they currently do not receive at all.
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
97,783
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
I agree with this very much, but it would require central government money to work. The bus industry would have to be regulated, and the tramway fares would have to come down quite a bit through subsidy which they currently do not receive at all.

True.

But in the meantime it would be sensible for local train fares to be simpler, too. Even if you don't go for single leg pricing there's little need for any more than an Off Peak and Anytime Day Single, Day Return, First Class equivalents and the PTE rover and season tickets. And that's all it did have before the present silliness started about 10 years ago or so.
 

Starmill

Veteran Member
Fares Advisor
Joined
18 May 2012
Messages
23,359
Location
Bolton
And that's all it did have before the present silliness started about 10 years ago or so.
10 years ago, the fares in Greater Manchester represented far better value for money than they do today, though. It was a political decision to deliberately increase the off peak fares, more than doubling them in around 3 years. If the fares from 10 years ago had been strictly limited to inflation, I doubt we would see so many (totally ludicrous) TOC Only tickets.

The other effect that the TOC Only fares have is that the £2.30 TfW Only single is a reprive from the ludicrous overpriced singles compared to day returns, which is often useful for me because period returns aren't on offer, so singles have far more use case than one might think.
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
97,783
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
The other effect that the TOC Only fares have is that the £2.30 TfW Only single is a reprive from the ludicrous overpriced singles compared to day returns, which is often useful for me because period returns aren't on offer, so singles have far more use case than one might think.

True, though with single-leg pricing this would be solved.

The other spanner in the works on this kind of thing is Advances, which really are utterly pointless on short distance flows like this when people really don't want to be fixed to a given train and discounts if you buy one on the spot are paltry, so all they really do is confuse. Really, it's a pity the "counted places" thing was brought in - without it, it restricted train-specific Advances (rather than &connections bits) to trains which allowed seat reservations, which pretty much restricted it to those longer-distance trains where this sort of thing has a proper use-case.
 

exesoundtech

Member
Joined
15 Sep 2018
Messages
58
To enlighten the conversation (don't think I've seen it in the thread), the full scale of the crazy is shown on this BR Fares search:

http://www.brfares.com/#expert?orig=SPT&dest=MAN

From which I note VTWC are giving away Metrolink "add ons" with the Stockport-Manchester Central Zone costing the same as the Stockport-Manchester Pic...
 

Ianno87

Veteran Member
Joined
3 May 2015
Messages
15,215
From which I note VTWC are giving away Metrolink "add ons" with the Stockport-Manchester Central Zone costing the same as the Stockport-Manchester Pic...

That is done with all Any Permitted eeturns Greater Manchester stations to "Manchester Stations".
- they are always issued to 'Manchester Ctlz'
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top