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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates
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eastwestdivide
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195113 worked Doncaster-Wakefield K-Sheffield this morning. Due back later (d.1056) via Wakefield W: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N05911/2019/09/13/advanced
Are these trips training or are they for fuelling at Sheffield?
Are these trips training or are they for fuelling at Sheffield?
EE Andy b1
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A vehicle off 195129 on it's way West on the M62 just past Warrington today at dinner time.
childwallblues
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An Allellys trailer was noted in Wavertree High Street this morning. Assumed after delivering this unit.
EE Andy b1
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Aye must have been two other vehicles to this set somewhere heading to Edge Hill.
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Looking forward to travelling on one of these in October from Lancaster to Barrow and Barrow to Preston when I'm up from London to Millom. I think I asked way back in the thread if any plans were a foot to clear them north of Barrow yet if ever, if anyone knows anything yet?
Xenophon PCDGS
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Before the advent of the first-generation DMU, what types of passenger coaching stock were in use on the Cumbrian Coast line?
childwallblues
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Good question seeing that the TPE units from CAF are delivered by rail.
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Thanks Roose
I would imagine north of Millom is the issue as some other stock I believe is only cleared to Millom like the 185/175. Lots if oddities on the cumbrian coast!
Moderator note: if anyone wishes to further discuss the clearance issues on the Cumbrian Coast please use https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gauge-clearance-restrictions-on-the-cumbrian-coast-line.192167/ and not this thread, which is about Class 195 construction
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Apologies if this has already been posted. ARN's current plans for 195 introduction east of the Pennines are:
The above means between 21 and 26 units at least (mostly 158s, and assuming all current diagrams are worked by single units, which is not the case on all Calder Valley services) will be released by mid-December 2019.
- 21/10 - 10 195s on Leeds - Chester services
- 11/11 - 8 195s on York - Blackpool services
- 15/12 - 10 195s on Leeds - Lincoln and Leeds - Nottingham services
The above means between 21 and 26 units at least (mostly 158s, and assuming all current diagrams are worked by single units, which is not the case on all Calder Valley services) will be released by mid-December 2019.
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Thanks for the info, looks like the 195 introduction is really ramping up. Are there any other routes left due to receive 195s once the above have been introduced?
Interesting question. I suggest that ex-LMS 57' stock was most likely. I can certainly remember travelling in a corridor example (behind a Metro-Vick Co-Bo) in the early 1960s between Ravenglass and Barrow. Even then the Workington to Carlisle section had gone over to DMUs ....early Derby lightweight sets I think with barred windows...also of course with 57' long cars.
Mk3s are 23m and and 195 is 23.5 not including the length over the couplers. More than likely the reason they aren't cleared north of Millom is simply because its not worth the effort and expense currently to clear them much like the 142s being apparently "banned" when actually they were just never cleared south of Chesterfield, it will go into all sorts of stories in the future no doubt!
From October to December at least, the interworked Leeds - Chester- Leeds - Man Vic - Leeds services remain. Some diagrams remain 156 or 158 until Dec at least. Diagrams released for w/c Oct 20th include 195’s on York - Blackpool so some short term planning diagrams for 158’s will no doubt be in operation.
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We travelled from Manchester Victoria to Hebden Bridge today and just outside Todmorden station waiting for us to pass, on the "new" chord, looked like a Class195 that had come down the Copy Pit line.
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Yes, I heard that today as well. I also gleaned that 195s might even make appearances on other unexpected routes on a temporary basis. October diagrams are subject to change at the moment; if my sources let me know of anything of interest to this thread I will be sure to share.
Apologies if this has already been covered, but what is the purpose of the red “DOOR NOT IN USE” lights? On other trains, this has indicated that the door has been physically locked out of use. However, travelling from Liverpool to Manchester on a 195 this afternoon, they would light up on all doors quite randomly between stations, for about a minute each time.
Indeed, I just got off a Liverpool to Blackpool North service at Edge Hill, and all the doors had this light on, even when “unlocked” at Edge Hill! Queue racing down the train to the guard’s locally unlocked door, which I’m sure entertained the almost-full train
Indeed, I just got off a Liverpool to Blackpool North service at Edge Hill, and all the doors had this light on, even when “unlocked” at Edge Hill! Queue racing down the train to the guard’s locally unlocked door, which I’m sure entertained the almost-full train
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I don't know about door not in use text, but on Aventras, the door closing lights (both the logo and the red illumination on the buttons) will light if someone presses the door open button while the door is locked, so it's common to see units go past with red lights on the exterior door buttons due to someone leaning on the button inside. Not sure if the CAF units are the same in this regard.Apologies if this has already been covered, but what is the purpose of the red “DOOR NOT IN USE” lights? On other trains, this has indicated that the door has been physically locked out of use. However, travelling from Liverpool to Manchester on a 195 this afternoon, they would light up on all doors quite randomly between stations, for about a minute each time.
Indeed, I just got off a Liverpool to Blackpool North service at Edge Hill, and all the doors had this light on, even when “unlocked” at Edge Hill! Queue racing down the train to the guard’s locally unlocked door, which I’m sure entertained the almost-full train
It’s to do with ASDO. There is what’s been named the ‘bubble’ around each station where the door not in use signs light up on the non platform side. This does seem to instigate this randomly too for some reason.Apologies if this has already been covered, but what is the purpose of the red “DOOR NOT IN USE” lights? On other trains, this has indicated that the door has been physically locked out of use. However, travelling from Liverpool to Manchester on a 195 this afternoon, they would light up on all doors quite randomly between stations, for about a minute each time.
Indeed, I just got off a Liverpool to Blackpool North service at Edge Hill, and all the doors had this light on, even when “unlocked” at Edge Hill! Queue racing down the train to the guard’s locally unlocked door, which I’m sure entertained the almost-full train
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It was sat at Preston platform 7 on test this morning. There were what I presumed engineers on board with their laptops and devices. The seats and tables were still covered in bubblewrap.
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Looks like testing runs are happening between Doncaster and Hull. Are they heading that way in service does anyone know? Sorry if it’s been covered before.
I was just coming to ask when they will enter service on those lines, thanks very much
EDIT: Will York to Blackpool North become solely 195 operated or will some 158 diagrams remain
childwallblues
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The addition of all of these units by December will mean that about 40 of the 55 new units will be in service. Any news about which lines will get the balance?
Hull - Sheffield is a 'Northern Connect' route. Shame... I'd rather keep the 170s.
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There driver training based Doncaster.
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Is this what in other industries is known as a geofence? (ie a virtual barrier around a location that triggers an action when a vehicle enters it). If so, having that functionality kicking in when the train passes a station non stop seems a design flaw and more likely to result in questions from passengers and possibly some concern that all isn’t well.
Are the 170s staying on that route or will it become a solely 195 route
I understand that Hull to Sheffield, which has been extended to Bridlington from the May timetable change, becomes Scarborough, Hull and Sheffield from the December timetable change, with 170’s operating it, but it could be 195’s. Time will tell I suppose as to exactly how it works out.
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