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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/19/saga-travel-firm-advertises-cruise-exclusively-for-brits

From the Guardian

Saga, the insurance and travel company for the over-50s, has apologised after customers were sent a brochure advertising a cruise “exclusively for Brits”.

Twitter user Anthony Bale, who is a university professor, said his mother was “outraged” after being sent the magazine, outlining the characteristics of the cruise.

He posted a photograph of the promotion, which read: “Exclusively for Brits. Exclusively adults only. Exclusively for over-50s.”

Anthony Bale(@RealMandeville)
Outraged phonecall from my mother: she was shocked to receive @SagaUK brochure advertising cruises “exclusively for Brits.” She asked me why they would say this & if it’s legal. ‍♂️

(Also, in terms of grammar pedantry, “Exclusively Adult Only” + “For Over 50’s” is distressing) pic.twitter.com/3giXg5iybD

September 19, 2019
Shortly after Bale posted a photograph of the brochure, the “Over 50s lifestyle” section of the Saga website went offline, followed by the entire website, reappearing later during the morning. It is unclear whether the website fault was related to the promotion.

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Saga subsequently apologised, insisting that people of all nationalities were welcome on its tours and cruises.

“We are extremely sorry for the error in the promotional leaflet that was sent to the database of one of our cruise partners,” said a spokesperson.

“Whilst inside the leaflet it mentions our cruises depart from UK ports only, the wording that was intended to highlight this key benefit on the front cover was interpreted incorrectly and was wholly inaccurate.

“Saga Cruises have a proud heritage of welcoming anybody over the age of 50, of any nationality, onboard our cruises. The error has been corrected with immediate effect and we would like to apologise for any offence this may have caused.”

It said cruise.co.uk had drafted the wording but admitted that Saga had signed off on it.

Bale’s mother, Ruth Bale, 75, a retired probation officer, told the Guardian she was shocked to receive the brochure. “I think it’s a very sad reflection that it’s seen as a marketing point, that you’d want to go on a cruise exclusively composed of one nationality.

Saga(@SagaUK)
This is not a Saga brochure. Our partners at https://t.co/cMByEGL4cj are extremely sorry for any offence the inaccuracy in their leaflet may have caused. Saga cruises all depart from the UK but we welcome anybody, of any nationality, over the age of 50 on our cruises.

September 19, 2019
Chris Gardner, chief executive of cruise.co.uk, owned by private equity group Bridgepoint Development Capital, also apologised for the “error”.

“The wording is not a reflection of what we intended. It’s a mistake that I need to get to the bottom of and who allowed those words, which I can understand are offensive.

“All we can do is apologise for any offence that was caused, it doesn’t reflect our company.”

While Saga came in for criticism over the content of its marketing material, shares in the company surged by more than 15% on Thursday, as profits fell by less than expected.

Profits were cut in half to £53m for the six months to the end of July but the company insisted that an overhaul of its insurance business was bearing fruit.

But it warned that Brexit has hurt its travel insurance business and made consumers reluctant to commit to holidays in 2020/2021 after earlier anticipating an impact only this year.

This is just awful. What on earth is the UK coming to? Discuss if you would like to.

Thanks for reading this
 
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Saga's comment in the article.
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This is not a Saga brochure. Our partners at http://cruise.co.uk are extremely sorry for any offence the inaccuracy in their leaflet may have caused. Saga cruises all depart from the UK but we welcome anybody, of any nationality, over the age of 50 on our cruises
 

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Fundamentally, how is offering a product for people over a certain age any different to offering a product for people from a certain nationality?
 

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Fundamentally, how is offering a product for people over a certain age any different to offering a product for people from a certain nationality?
As a maths problem, it isn't - you're sorting people into two sets that don't intersect. However, where people are concerned it isn't so simple. Grouping by age is commonplace and well accepted (e.g. sports, school years, clubs, etc.), however excluding people due to nationality is not - for example when my parents arrived in the UK it wasn't uncommon to see "House for rent - no pets, no coloured, no Irish".

This is now, thankfully, seen as unacceptable (apart from the pets).

I think it's because everyone ages and (broadly speaking) people of around the same age will have around the same capability (hence grouping makes sense in sports and school) and have a similar path through life (so those over 65 are unlikely to have young children, and are likely to enjoy similar activities). So using the example above it means that passengers on an over-65 cruise aren't likely to be disappointed by the lack of childcare facilities.
 
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Fundamentally, how is offering a product for people over a certain age any different to offering a product for people from a certain nationality?

Travel companies have an exemption under the Equality Act 2010 in relation to discriminating on the basis of age. But no company can discriminate against customers on the basis of race (which includes nationality) without committing an offence.
 

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Couldn't think of anything worse. I've been to hotels etc that were mostly for "Brits Abroad", and they were bad enough. I was on a cruise in August, and it was bliss because there were so few other Brits on board - mostly Far Easterns, Spanish, Italian and German - it was all so civilised and quiet. The only downside was flying home from Hamburg - the plane was full of "Brits Abroad" many of whom were still drunk after a weekend of stag/hen dos.
 

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Couldn't think of anything worse. I've been to hotels etc that were mostly for "Brits Abroad", and they were bad enough. I was on a cruise in August, and it was bliss because there were so few other Brits on board - mostly Far Easterns, Spanish, Italian and German - it was all so civilised and quiet. The only downside was flying home from Hamburg - the plane was full of "Brits Abroad" many of whom were still drunk after a weekend of stag/hen dos.

I have seen "Not sold in Britain/England" used as a selling point for sun holiday resorts in Irish travel agencies before, make of that what you will.
 

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It's actually just aimed at the British market. Which is just as awful, as we see from P&O's cruises around Norway with Union Jack bunting and drunken gammon brawling.
https://twitter.com/richardgaisford/status/1155029988791468032?s=20

Going off at something of a tangent -- but, what's with this "gammon" business? New to me in this sense -- from context, including the above link, general implication is picked up; but, why seize on this word particularly? Culinary-wise, what could be actively bad about gammon? (One realises that colloquial language often just "comes to be" -- doesn't have to be about making sense.) Any ideas, gratefully received.
 

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Going off at something of a tangent -- but, what's with this "gammon" business? New to me in this sense -- from context, including the above link, general implication is picked up; but, why seize on this word particularly? Culinary-wise, what could be actively bad about gammon? (One realises that colloquial language often just "comes to be" -- doesn't have to be about making sense.) Any ideas, gratefully received.

This pretty much sums it up, from the Urban Dictionary-

Gammon
A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, europhobic, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

The term 'gammon' is linked to the unhealthy pink skin tone of such stout yeomen, probably because of high blood pressure caused by decades of 'PC gone mad', being defeated in arguments about the non-existent merits of Brexit and women getting the vote.

Gammon often make their appearance on BBC's Question Time jabbing their porcine fingers at the camera while demanding immediate nuclear strikes against Remain-voting areas, people who eat vegetables and/or cyclists.
 

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When my insurance company (Churchill) suddenly decided a year or two back to price me out of car insurance, despite a lack of claims or anything detrimental, I was advised to try Saga, who quoted as even more expensive. Happily, Direct Line were much more amenable.
 

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This pretty much sums it up, from the Urban Dictionary-

Gammon
A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, europhobic, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

The term 'gammon' is linked to the unhealthy pink skin tone of such stout yeomen, probably because of high blood pressure caused by decades of 'PC gone mad', being defeated in arguments about the non-existent merits of Brexit and women getting the vote.

Gammon often make their appearance on BBC's Question Time jabbing their porcine fingers at the camera while demanding immediate nuclear strikes against Remain-voting areas, people who eat vegetables and/or cyclists.
:lol:
 

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This pretty much sums it up, from the Urban Dictionary-

Gammon
A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, europhobic, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

The term 'gammon' is linked to the unhealthy pink skin tone of such stout yeomen, probably because of high blood pressure caused by decades of 'PC gone mad', being defeated in arguments about the non-existent merits of Brexit and women getting the vote.

I see from your explanation above, where this use of the word comes from -- thanks. In the nineteenth century, "gammon" was colloquially used to refer to a load of untruths -- it could be a noun, or a verb; you could "gammon" others, or indeed yourself. Heaven knows why the Victorians thought of this meaning for the word; as said, there's often no "rhyme or reason" to this stuff.
 

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Maybe in these politically correct times we now live in where there are those who will take offence at the slightest thing they could have worded their advert differently. But in the context that Saga are a British cruise line catering for the British cruise market I can’t see what all the fuss is about.
 

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Maybe in these politically correct times we now live in where there are those who will take offence at the slightest thing they could have worded their advert differently. But in the context that Saga are a British cruise line catering for the British cruise market I can’t see what all the fuss is about.
saga louts make club 18-30 look tame!
 

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It is clearly not what the company intended to say. I don’t understand why people are so exercised about this.
There are people out there (on here, come to that) who are poised to be outraged at the drop of a hat. That doesn't mean all 'liberals' have this mindset, thankfully, and I certainly don't. Can't tell you how many people have ostracised me over the years because they've seen me reading a newspaper that's not the Grauniad, especially when I tell them it'd be, at best, my third choice read; I find many of its writers to be insufferable prigs.
 

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Britt Ekland is 76, does she qualify?
Unfortunately not. She and Britney Spears are about to start court proceedings apparently.

Edit - Britney Spears is much younger than you realise.
 

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I agree it's nothing to get super angry over, but at the same time it's a pretty stupid way to advertise anything.

I’m inclined to believe the company was marketing towards British people - after all, that seems pretty self-evident for saga, and somewhere something has been mistranslated or misheard, to produce the final copy which talked about citizens.

It wasn’t very professional of them but that’s about it.
 
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