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Trivia: Longest scheduled dwell times
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Peter Mugridge
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I think the down Night Riviera will probably win this?
mm333
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The 0538 XC Leeds-Glasgow sits at York for 25 minutes. Probably so if it has to go via Castleford some days, it doesn't mess anything up.
Bletchleyite
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I was going to say that, doesn't it sit at Taunton for something like 2 hours?
1C99 sits Exeter SD for 64 minutes
And Plymouth for 34 minutes on the current FSX schedule.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C20380/2019/09/24/advanced
83 minutes (Exeter SD) and 53 minutes (Plymouth) this Sunday
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C26193/2019/09/29/advanced
5 minutes longer than WTT at Exeter SD
Kite159
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1L11 0635 London Waterloo to Weymouth on Saturdays sits at Gillingham for 20 minutes.
Probably some of the overnight TPE/Thameslink services to take account of any diverts?
Probably some of the overnight TPE/Thameslink services to take account of any diverts?
alistairlees
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I thought it might be the down Highlander Sleeper, but that's only 58 minutes at Edinburgh between arrival and departure of the last portion (Fort William)
That's also for a bone fide operational reason...
The only operational reason(s) i can think of related to the Down Night Riveria is Crew rest / Leg stretch, which can be circumvented via a change of crew.
It also detaches a set for the 0622 Southampton.
Apart from the sleepers, that's probably the longest. But back in the 70s (and 80s?) there were some very long dwell times at Barmouth - 30 to 50 minutes.
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Some Transport for Wales services on a Sunday have long dwell times at Swansea of around 30 minutes such as these ones: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P76528/2019/09/29/advanced, https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/V69360/2019/09/29/advanced
Not sure on the reasons though.
Not sure on the reasons though.
Well, That one stumps me!
It's not even like they connect into anything at Swansea. (note: For the second link posted, V69360 - the 2V12, this usually connects (as 1V12) into the 1B28, to Carmathen (1W15 follows it to Carmarthen and continues to Milford H.
The day the link is for - Sun 29th Sept, it actually misses this by three minutes [2V12 departing 1545 (vice 1544 WTT) and 1B35 arr. 1548 and terminating (vice 1B28 WTT dep. 1541)] which i find amusing... considering how long 2V12 sits there!
CommuterPigeon
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On the topic of TfW services, the 2010 from Birmingham International to Aberystwyth sits at Shrewsbury for 32 minutes on a weekday (2118 to 2150). Not entirely sure of the reasons behind this.
Theres a Birmingham International-Liverpool that has 27 minutes standing time at New Street
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P45733/2019/09/24/advanced
Doesnt beat some of the others but seems odd that Is it has a layover so early and isnt just classed as separate trains.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P45733/2019/09/24/advanced
Doesnt beat some of the others but seems odd that Is it has a layover so early and isnt just classed as separate trains.
I belive this particular one is awaiting path over the single line from Sutton Bridge Jn - Welshpool (and beyond).
The non-passenger service, 2120 Shrewsbury Coleham Ss - Shrewsbury Coleham Ss is 2128 over Sutton Bridge Jn / 2151 arrival into Welshpool meaning 1J31 (2010 Birmingham Int - Aberystwyth) 2150 ex-shrewsbury can't get over Sutton Bridge Jn till 2153 at the earliest.
If it were to run before, it would need to arrive Welshpool by 2126, which isn't possible given the current path from Birmingham.
The Planner
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It actually can, the planning rules are just written so it cannot. I'm fairly sure there is a ETCS block section around Westbury so it could follow it down to Welshpool, whether you can make it work from there is a different question.
Yeah, the rules say ERTMS but times as AB.
There is an intermediate (non-mandatory) timing point at Westbury for Up or Down -
I'm unaware of the implications of using it though.
*Westbury is an Automatic Half Barrier Crossing
Tetchytyke
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Some of the through Tyne Valley-Scotland trains used to sit ar Carlisle for 30 minutes, but I see they've now all gone.
yrreb
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There's an odd service which could be considered one through service, it's 2E45 (16:45 Huddersfield - Marsden) which terminates there and sits there on the passenger loop for 27 minutes before starting off again forming 2M54 (17:31 Marsden - Manchester Piccadilly), no doubt to wait for a path between all the TransPennine Express services on the route, especially at that time
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y69100/2019/09/24/advanced
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y62401/2019/09/24/advanced
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y69100/2019/09/24/advanced
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y62401/2019/09/24/advanced
swt_passenger
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What about combined long dwell times?
The offpeak xx39 Waterloo to Poole trains have two relatively long waits, totalling about 45 mins, around 20 mins at Southampton and another 25 mins at Brockenhurst...
Normal time Waterloo to Poole is a couple of minutes over 2 hours, the xx39s take about 3h 15m.
Top tip, don’t ever get the Poole train if going to Poole...
The offpeak xx39 Waterloo to Poole trains have two relatively long waits, totalling about 45 mins, around 20 mins at Southampton and another 25 mins at Brockenhurst...
Normal time Waterloo to Poole is a couple of minutes over 2 hours, the xx39s take about 3h 15m.
Top tip, don’t ever get the Poole train if going to Poole...
berneyarms
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Surely that wait is to take a connection off the 19:34 from Cardiff?
duffield
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To provide a later last train from Shrewsbury for people on a night out, maybe?
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Saperstein
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Not really a dwell time because it hadn’t started it’s journey yet, but many years ago the first train out of Brighton in the morning to London Victoria was booked to depart at something like 0345 but almost always left at 0415.
Of course some of the longest dwell times will be freight but I guess were not counting those
Saperstein.
Of course some of the longest dwell times will be freight but I guess were not counting those
Saperstein.
Saperstein
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A bit like don’t take the Inverness train if you are going to Inverness (from Glasgow Queen Street) as someone kindly pointed out on here i.e. change at Perth.
Saperstein.
As all of the GWR Class 800s are still timed as HSTs (until this December) there are long dwell times at places such as Reading - up to 10 mins in some instances.
swt_passenger
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That’s not the same thing though, yes those trains are able to run earlier than the published timetable, but the original question was about “booked” long dwells...
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Not really a dwell time because it hadn’t started it’s journey yet, but many years ago the first train out of Brighton in the morning to London Victoria was booked to depart at something like 0345 but almost always left at 0415.
Of course some of the longest dwell times will be freight but I guess were not counting those
Saperstein.
That only stopped a couple of years ago. The reason being that it could leave at 0345 and go via Lewes and still be on time at Haywards Heath.
SWRtrain_fan
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For the Waterloo to Weybridge via Staines services, they stop at Virginia Water for about 9 mins in the London bound direction.
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