A few years ago now (probably), but certainly within the time I have lived in Salford (less than eleven years), I travelled on a 158 from Swinton (Manchester) to Manchester Victoria - I can't remember its ultimate destination, but I'm sure it was beyond Victoria. Neither can I tell you its originating point - whether Wigan Wallgate, Kirkby, or Southport. (In those days no trains terminated at Wigan North Western in the middle of the day).
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faltskog36abba
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About twelve years ago I got a 158 from the Atherton line to Rochdale, I also got on one on the Huddersfield stopper from Victoria to greenfield around the same time. Could the Atherton to Rochdale have been an ex Blackpool ?- They ran in the summer months.
dave87016
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158842 coupled with 142047 yesterday did 0608 Wigan - Stalybridge -Wigan- Leeds then Leeds - Southports all day I travelled on it from todmorden - all the way to Southport
Regarding the 158 around 11 years ago that would be the IIRC 1738 Man Vic - Southport after it came off the depot usually coupled to another unit throughout
Regarding the 158 around 11 years ago that would be the IIRC 1738 Man Vic - Southport after it came off the depot usually coupled to another unit throughout
I'm on a single 158 (796) on the 0855 Wigan - Leeds this morning. Something of a step up from 142s!
Does anyone know whether the Southport, soon to be Wigan, to Leeds services are going to be operated by 158s/195s going forward? If so, it's a massive step up in service quality on the Atherton line.
Does anyone know whether the Southport, soon to be Wigan, to Leeds services are going to be operated by 158s/195s going forward? If so, it's a massive step up in service quality on the Atherton line.
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A 158 is nice in theory, and even in practice, but is this usually a 2-car or 4-car working? Single 158s are a downgrade on 4-car older stock if it's total capacity you're after
2 x 142s has been standard on Atherton line services for quite a while. Or 142+150. Even 156s have been rare. So, whilst it may not be an overall capacity increase, I'd rather stand on a 158 than on a 142.
That said, whilst the journey I did was a single 158, I'm told they've been working in multiple this week, and that one diagram, at least on one day, was a three car 158.
The other thing to note is that the Leeds services are rarely crowded other than Walkden - Salford Crescent. Certainly not compared to the peak Alderley Edges. It's a quirk of the timetable. Because the peak Leeds services don't run all the way to/from Southport, and instead start from Wigan, they're more lightly loaded. At least, this has been my experience.
158s are booked traction for a number of services out to Southport until the December timetable change, probably just as far as Wigan come December. No 195s are planned to work to Southport.
northernchris
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From what I've seen one 158 has replaced a 156 to become 158+150 and the other replacing a 150 to become 142+158. The solo 158 today was a shortform
PHILIPE
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They are now, though. Several posts and pictures seen on Facebook and seems to coincide with the 142 reduction
TheSel
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Whilst fully accepting the vagaries of Northern's famed 'Random Unit Generator', could you possibly advise which workings are booked for 158 operation, please? I have photos of everything from steam, through class 31, 37 & 47 loco-haul, and most types of first and second generation units on that line, but no 158s (yet!) Many thanks in anticipation.
Based on the last few days, the 0855 departure from Wigan to Leeds seems to be booked for a 158. It comes from Stalybridge, which will be a via Bolton servixe, and then (I think) spends the rest of the day doing Leeds - Southport services.
northernchris
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That's right, it's the 1120 and 1720 from Leeds and 1424 from Southport. The other 158 comes off Newton Heath to work the 0637 to Leeds, then 0820, 1420 and 2020 to Southport and 1124 and 1724 from Southport
TheSel
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Many thanks for these, folks. Sorry to have been slow acknowledging your info - only just had a chance to get back onto the forum.
Banfurlong
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Still along way to go travelled on the 18.23 Leeds to Wigan on Thursday Following huge cancellation East and North of York on TX, ex West Midland 150 stock very uncomfortable for the length of journey
I'm not a fan of 150s for sure, but tbh those two ex-London Midland units are two of the better ones with Northern, in my experience.
On the subject of 158s - have they disappeared from the Southport services? I haven't seen one for what feels like a couple of weeks on either of the diagrams they were operating.
northernchris
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They have been much rarer recently but did make appearances earlier this week
TheSel
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2021 Leeds - Southport (1J31) was 158784 yesterday (just as a two car - i.e. not running with any other unit). I was on it from Todmorden back to Southport. Also passed another 158 on the 2108 Southport - Manchester Victoria (2J71) at Swinton, but couldn't tell you which one that was.
I had one yesterday morning on the 0855 Wigan - Leeds. 158797 with the heating stuck on full, no air cooling, and the windows closed... not fun, tbh.
Banfurlong
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Much improvements but I do believe traveling so far on stopping services should be 156 or 158, vast improvments on refurbishment of the 150, but being disabled I do not like to be sitting facing other passengers unable to grip on any fixed object when leaving my seat, as to airline seating for comfort knowing you can grip on the seat in front
I can't abide Northerns 150s either; and, you're right, it's the seating that's the problem. The 150s operated by TfW have better seating arrangements (tables, more airline seating) I think.
It will be interesting to see whick units end up on which of the Wigan / Southport to Stalybridge / Alderley Edge / Leeds / Blackburn diagrams when the routes all change in December.
175001
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A mix of the usual 150/156/158s on Leeds-Wigan.
Possibly even 158s on Blackburn - Wigan as Blackburn depot signing them too
150/156...769(cough!!!) to go on the Southport - Alderley Edge
Possibly even 158s on Blackburn - Wigan as Blackburn depot signing them too
150/156...769(cough!!!) to go on the Southport - Alderley Edge
TheSel
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1720 Leeds - Southport is 156464 / 150206 tonight. Roughly 10 down leaving Wigan Wallgate.
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Banfurlong
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2 car 195 crawling through Wigan Wallgate Thursday night possible going into sidings
Banfurlong
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Travelled on the 08.55 from Wigan to Leeds, most enjoyable journey 2 car 156+2car 158, returned on 15.20 a complete contrast in travel 2 car 150+2car 142, certainly not suitable for such a long journey
CheerDanielita
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Surely with all 158’s coming of Blackpool and Chester, pacer replacement is a must within the next few months.
142 + 144 are been flooding Leeds to Glasshoughton and Leeds to Morecambe, I know 158 isn’t that modern but trains need to carry internet and help people access the outside world such as work whilst commuting that you can do on every rivals company.
There’s several 158 I’d hate to lose from the West Yorkshire region.
142 + 144 are been flooding Leeds to Glasshoughton and Leeds to Morecambe, I know 158 isn’t that modern but trains need to carry internet and help people access the outside world such as work whilst commuting that you can do on every rivals company.
There’s several 158 I’d hate to lose from the West Yorkshire region.
Some more interesting use of Northern's 158s coming up from Monday, such as:
SX 0556 Piccadilly-Huddersfield (158+153, 153 gets detached at Huddersfield) & 0645 Marsden-Piccadilly (158 goes ECS from Huddersfield to Marsden).
SX 0630 Stalybridge-Wigan NW (then goes to Leeds).
SX & SO the diagram which does 0704 Manchester Victoria-Blackburn via Copy Pit, 0819 Blackburn-Southport, 1052 Southport-Blackburn, 1319 Blackburn-Southport, 1547 Southport-Blackburn, 1819 Blackburn-Wigan NW, 2009 Wigan NW-Stalybridge is booked two 158s. At Stalybridge The units split, one does a return trip Stalybridge-Wigan NW then to Newton Heath, the other goes empty to Holbeck via Huddersfield.
SX a 158 comes off Newton Heath at 1607 to work empty to Piccadilly via Guide Bridge, then works 1700 Piccadilly-Huddersfield, 1746 Huddersfield-Marsden, 1822 Marsden-Piccadilly and then back to Newton Heath via Ashburys.
SX there appear to be no SX Leeds-Chester services booked 158s from Monday, although the SO 0539 Leeds-Chester & return and 1438 Leeds-Chester & return (same units) is booked 158+153.
The 0614 Manchester Vic-Chester is booked 1x150 SX (this unit then works to Stockport), the 0614 is booked a 195 and works back to Leeds SO; as far as I can see every other Leeds/Chester service is booked 195s from Monday.
Nothing untoward on Sundays re 158s apart from a couple of ECS moves between Newton Heath and Wigan Wallgate carriage sidings.
SX 0556 Piccadilly-Huddersfield (158+153, 153 gets detached at Huddersfield) & 0645 Marsden-Piccadilly (158 goes ECS from Huddersfield to Marsden).
SX 0630 Stalybridge-Wigan NW (then goes to Leeds).
SX & SO the diagram which does 0704 Manchester Victoria-Blackburn via Copy Pit, 0819 Blackburn-Southport, 1052 Southport-Blackburn, 1319 Blackburn-Southport, 1547 Southport-Blackburn, 1819 Blackburn-Wigan NW, 2009 Wigan NW-Stalybridge is booked two 158s. At Stalybridge The units split, one does a return trip Stalybridge-Wigan NW then to Newton Heath, the other goes empty to Holbeck via Huddersfield.
SX a 158 comes off Newton Heath at 1607 to work empty to Piccadilly via Guide Bridge, then works 1700 Piccadilly-Huddersfield, 1746 Huddersfield-Marsden, 1822 Marsden-Piccadilly and then back to Newton Heath via Ashburys.
SX there appear to be no SX Leeds-Chester services booked 158s from Monday, although the SO 0539 Leeds-Chester & return and 1438 Leeds-Chester & return (same units) is booked 158+153.
The 0614 Manchester Vic-Chester is booked 1x150 SX (this unit then works to Stockport), the 0614 is booked a 195 and works back to Leeds SO; as far as I can see every other Leeds/Chester service is booked 195s from Monday.
Nothing untoward on Sundays re 158s apart from a couple of ECS moves between Newton Heath and Wigan Wallgate carriage sidings.
northernchris
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@Llama thanks for the info, surprised 158s are going on to the peak Piccadilly - Huddersfield
Kieran1990
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They have a higher top speed than the pacers and sprinters currently used- better pathing/ time keeping with TPE services
175001
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Only till December when we loose Huddersfield work to TPE
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