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313059 + 052 will form 2K08 06:26 WGC - MOG, 2V12 07:28 MOG - WGC, 2K20 08:20 WGC - MOG, 2V24 09:28 MOG - WGC and should follow that diagram, awaiting further information to be inputted.
 
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Just checked TRUST:

052/059 are as per previous post and end with 2328 to WGC, which runs empty stock back to XHE.

Additionally though 039/061 have been kicked out from XHE this morning and are shown working the 0700/0858/1058 departures from MOG and end with the 2258 to WGC. By diagram these units will berth overnight at WGC so they should be out on Monday morning.
 
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New rolling stock should be an improvement on what it replaces. You know. More reliable not less....

functional not with useless gimmicks like WiFi. (Although the air-conditioning is nice it I prefer a train that gets me from a-b reliably)
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Like it or not, wifi and air conditioning are considered to be minimum acceptable standards these days by passengers, not gimmicks.

And obviously the reliability of the 717s will improve.
 
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121020 said:
Just checked TRUST:

052/059 are as per previous post and end with 2328 to WGC, which runs empty stock back to XHE.

Additionally though 039/061 have been kicked out from XHE this morning and are shown working the 0700/0858/1058 departures from MOG and end with the 2258 to WGC. By diagram these units will berth overnight at WGC so they should be out on Monday morning.
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We should have a Hertford North starter tomorrow morning, With 313048 + 049 performing an ECS Move later on 5B99 09:30 Hornsey EMUD - Hertford North Carriage Holding sidings.
 
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Malcolmffc said:
Like it or not, wifi and air conditioning are considered to be minimum acceptable standards these days
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by whom? If a train doesn’t have WiFi is it preventing you from using data? No as your phone has connection to the world? Some of the 700s have WiFi some don’t. Do I notice? No because I have a phone, I personally don’t know anyone that considers WiFi on a train as essential. In fact I don’t know anyone that uses it as they all use their phones.

seat back tables however - when you get a train with those that turn up you do use them. Along with many other passengers.

as a user of the route - I do notice the air-conditioning. Some passengers use the plugs (very few however). But my browsing experience is no different to the 313s they replaced.

As for the reliability of the 717s improving. I hope so. I hope the are more class 458 then class 180. We will see. Again as a user the 313s are normally moving in 10 mins of a failure. We all know about the time it takes to move a 717, especially if the mains frequency drops.
 
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So is it possible to say what tomorrow's diagram will be?
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Presumably, anything stabled at Hertford North is most likely to do HE0041,42/HE71 including the 0824 from WGC ending at Hornsey, anything at WGC would do HE023,24/HE62. This however normally ends at Hertford North and would have to be swapped at some stage if Monday is definitely the last day. Either that or a working that has already switched to 717s for a while, that finishes at Hornsey will get one final day of 313s...
 
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Presumably, anything stabled at Hertford North is most likely to do HE0041,42/HE71 including the 0824 from WGC ending at Hornsey, anything at WGC would do HE023,24/HE62. This however normally ends at Hertford North and would have to be swapped at some stage if Monday is definitely the last day. Either that or a working that has already switched to 717s for a while, that finishes at Hornsey will get one final day of 313s...
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I will be on 0808 tomorrow so will feed back what I see.
 
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notverydeep said:
Presumably, anything stabled at Hertford North is most likely to do HE0041,42/HE71 including the 0824 from WGC ending at Hornsey, anything at WGC would do HE023,24/HE62. This however normally ends at Hertford North and would have to be swapped at some stage if Monday is definitely the last day. Either that or a working that has already switched to 717s for a while, that finishes at Hornsey will get one final day of 313s...
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Today 313039 + 061 are currently on HE009 + 010 which will finish at Welwyn GC tonight, those two units should work HE023 + 024 which start with the 04:00 Welwyn Gc - Kings Cross and which usually finishes after working 2B30 18:10 Moorgate - Hertford North, 5B30 19+20 Hertford North - Carriage Sidings, But tomorrow it's amended to finish at Letchworth, I'm moving into speculation here, but I wonder that if there is an urgency to return the units to Hornsey, they could amend the timings of 5E88 18+41 Hertford North - Hornsey and move the 313 into that working and the 717 into the other, I'll check work publications when I have a PNB later on.
 
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Class315 said:
We should have a Hertford North starter tomorrow morning, With 313048 + 049 performing an ECS Move later on 5B99 09:30 Hornsey EMUD - Hertford North Carriage Holding sidings.
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So will there be 2 sets of 313s at Hertford tomorrow morning?
 
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So will there be 2 sets of 313s at Hertford tomorrow morning?
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Today, there are no 313's booked to finish at Hertford North, hence the move of 048 + 049 as 5B99 to balance Hertford for Monday morning, as it's 1 x 717 and 1 x 313 booked to stable at Hertford Now, stabling road 3 has been temporarily taken out of use at Hertford but that shouldn't affect anything.
 
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Today, there are no 313's booked to finish at Hertford North, hence the move of 048 + 049 as 5B99 to balance Hertford for Monday morning, as it's 1 x 717 and 1 x 313 booked to stable at Hertford Now, stabling road 3 has been temporarily taken out of use at Hertford but that shouldn't affect anything.
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Did the 0110 KGX - HFN not stable in the sidings overnight then?
 
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Did the 0110 KGX - HFN not stable in the sidings overnight then?
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Despite being booked to finish at Hertford North, 313048+049 the stock off 2B88 0110 KGX - HFN, returned to Hornsey EMUD in the early hours as 5E88.
 
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Like it or not, wifi and air conditioning are considered to be minimum acceptable standards these days by passengers, not gimmicks.

And obviously the reliability of the 717s will improve.
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I don’t see people getting on 365s and moaning about lack of air conditioning. Apart from the very small handful of really hot days every year it’s really not an issue, and in all reality this is balanced by all the days when air-conditioned trains are too hot, too stuffy or the air conditioning has failed.

As for wi-if, I tend to agree that it’s not that useful in practice. For those who aren’t too tight to pay for their own data, the only practical benefit of wi-if is that it works in tunnels. Most users of the GN route are probably glad of the many tunnels when they’ve got some loud-mouth near them spending their whole journey on the phone, so on that score I’d probably rather not have wi-fi at all. From a data point of view it’s no great hardship to lose 4G for a few moments while the train passes through a tunnel. Obviously this might be slightly more than a few moments on the 717s in the Moorgate tunnel.

Plug sockets *are* more useful. I’ve certainly been glad of them on a few occasions when I’ve needed to have my phone live and had forgotten to charge it or the battery had unexpectedly drained. Hardly a game-changer though, I’d be peeved if I thought I was paying higher fares for them.
 
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I saw my last 313 in service last night around 2330 as I drove back to Peterborough
 
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Non air conditioned trains are unpleasant once it is 25 degrees + outside. With climate change the frequency of such days is only going to increase. As a long suffering 455 user on South Western, I cant wait for the new stock with temperature control.
 
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The only problem with heavy reliance on air conditioning and especially on electric trains is what happens when a) the air con fails & b) the power supply is cut and thus the air con stops working.

keen observers will notice the ex Scotrail Class 171s don’t have opening hopper windows so in the summer when the air cons fails you just hope it’s not an ex Scotrail!
 
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I contrived a visit to the Science Museum for the children today and their last 313 trips. We’re on the way home now with 313061 and 313039 on 2V69 1658 Moorgate to WGC. Much more sure footed and spirited running than 313059 and 313052 this morning, motors dropping out at most stations and a fair wheel flat in 059’s inner driving car. Thanks to 059’s driver though for a treat for the little ones!

Seems likely that I may get one more run tomorrow. If anyone can post the allocators for tomorrow early on, that would be really appreciated!
 
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I've seen rumours that the last 313 will actually be on Tuesday morning rather than tomorrow. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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039/061 worked 0624 ex WGC (not 0400). They then worked the 0837 ex WAS to MOG which runs empty stock to XHE.

048/049 worked 0632 ex HFN and are shown working usual diagram and ending with 2333 HFN-MOG then empties to XHE.
 
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The 07:30 MOG to WGC is a 313, just seen it at New Southgate.

313 City of London was just entering Hornsey Depot when I went past.
 
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Sadly the 0808 WGC - MOG is downgraded this morning with 717018. I will post about 0824 when a catch up with it on route. Not sure if I will see the 0754ex WGC before I enter the tunnels.

I guess it is not relevant as i think it goes ECS back to Hornsey anyway.
 
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Today is the last day of 313 operations,

313039 + 061 are currently on carriage working HE031 + 032.

5K13 06+15 Welwyn GC CSD - Welwyn GC
2K13 06:24 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2F14 07:20 Moorgate - Watton at stone
5J42 08+28 Watton at stone - Watton at stone via Langley Junction
2J42 08:37 Watton at stone - Moorgate via Hertford North
5E21 09+45 Moorgate - Hornsey Depot

313048 + 049 are currently working HE041+042

5J15 06+22 Hertford North CHS - Hertford North
2J15 06:32 Hertford North - Moorgate
2V17 07:30 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K37 08:24 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2V59 09:20 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
5I58 10+14 Welwyn GC - Welwyn GC via reversing siding
2K58 10:39 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2F60 11:40 Moorgate - Watton-at-Stone
5J79 12+46 Watton-at-Stone - Watton-at-Stone via Langley
2J79 13:10 Watton-at-Stone - Moorgate via Hertford
2V81 14:20 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
5I10 15+24 Welwyn GC - Welwyn GC via reversing siding
2K10 15:39 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2B11 16:40 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J32 17:37 Hertford North - Moorgate
2B35 18:25 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J51 19:30 Hertford North - Moorgate
2V53 20:30 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K66 21:28 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2B68 22:25 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J83 23:33 Hertford North - Moorgate
5E44 00+33 Moorgate - Hornsey EMUD
 
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So, my last 313s from Welwyn Garden City. 313048, leading 313049 on 2K37, the 0824 to Moorgate and while they are planned to carry on all day, other commitments mean this is probably my last run with 313s on GN. Better loaded today as the slightly faster 2C13 0727 Cambridge to King’s Cross is 16 late - it would normally precede 2K37 from WGC.
 
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Today is the last day of 313 operations,

313039 + 061 are currently on carriage working HE031 + 032.

5K13 06+15 Welwyn GC CSD - Welwyn GC
2K13 06:24 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2F14 07:20 Moorgate - Watton at stone
5J42 08+28 Watton at stone - Watton at stone via Langley Junction
2J42 08:37 Watton at stone - Moorgate via Hertford North
5E21 09+45 Moorgate - Hornsey Depot

313048 + 049 are currently working HE041+042

5J15 06+22 Hertford North CHS - Hertford North
2J15 06:32 Hertford North - Moorgate
2V17 07:30 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K37 08:24 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2V59 09:20 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
5I58 10+14 Welwyn GC - Welwyn GC via reversing siding
2K58 10:39 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2F60 11:40 Moorgate - Watton-at-Stone
5J79 12+46 Watton-at-Stone - Watton-at-Stone via Langley
2J79 13:10 Watton-at-Stone - Moorgate via Hertford
2V81 14:20 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
5I10 15+24 Welwyn GC - Welwyn GC via reversing siding
2K10 15:39 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2B11 16:40 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J32 17:37 Hertford North - Moorgate
2B35 18:25 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J51 19:30 Hertford North - Moorgate
2V53 20:30 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K66 21:28 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2B68 22:25 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J83 23:33 Hertford North - Moorgate
5E44 00+33 Moorgate - Hornsey EMUD
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2K58 now cancelled. 313s have run empty north from Welwyn, looks like they’re going to the Hertford line to pick up booked next working.
 
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