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Bletchleyite · 30 Sep 2019

BA are pretty mediocre too.

FWIW I was quite impressed with Air Canada when I flew with them. Typically Canadian polite, friendly and attentive service, and the 777-300ER and 787 are quite comfortable aircraft despite the narrow seats. Not much use for the US though. American were decent when I last used them (and I think their 777s might still be 3-3-3 with the wide seats) but it was years ago.

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atillathehunn · 30 Sep 2019

Shame about the poor experiences on Virgin. Must say it goes counter to their reputation.

BA are completely hit or miss, never average. Was really very surprised by Delta. They were really rather good.

I think Ethiopian are the friendliest and most accommodating. KQ are very free with the large Tusker cans which is a nice quality to have in an airline. KLM are a bit Dutch but overall they must do something right as I can't seem to escape them. The only redeeming feature of SN Brussels is the beer list on board, the crew exist on another planet entirely or certainly on the last few flights. The Alitalia crew can be quite fun if you can speak a few words of Italian. I think my terrible Italian amuses them and they always give me extra things off the trolley.

Bletchleyite · 30 Sep 2019

The only thing I always find funny about KLM is the appalling legroom in a country where at 6' 4" I'm considered average to short. Other than that it's a fairly reliable choice - it doesn't sparkle, but it's reliable and well-run with typically Dutch matter-of-fact staff who will serve you as per the specification, and a few charming Dutch quirks. Pretty much Nederlandse Spoorwegen with wings.

atillathehunn · 30 Sep 2019

Bletchleyite said:
The only thing I always find funny about KLM is the appalling legroom in a country where at 6' 4" I'm considered average to short. Other than that it's a fairly reliable choice - it doesn't sparkle, but it's reliable and well-run with typically Dutch matter-of-fact staff who will serve you as per the specification, and a few charming Dutch quirks. Pretty much Nederlandse Spoorwegen with wings.

You're exactly right on the leg room. But, their tallness is matched only by their stinginess, which explains the lack of leg room. I like the occasional quirks they throw in and the fact that if you can speak Dutch the service becomes quite different. I fell ill on a Nairobi run recently and they looked after me very well. Nothing serious but I felt like hell. Their business class is lousy, though. But I find Schiphol nauseating these days. Possibly because I'm so sick of it having visited a few too many times in the last year alone.

gsnedders · 30 Sep 2019

atillathehunn said:
Shame about the poor experiences on Virgin. Must say it goes counter to their reputation.

BA are completely hit or miss, never average. Was really very surprised by Delta. They were really rather good.

Virgin I think treat their flights from regional airports very differently than the ex-Heathrow departures (especially, but also ex-Gatwick to a lesser degree). They tend to get the older, unrefurbished aircraft, and I wouldn't be surprised by the attitude of the crew differing too.

BA I completely agree with; I've had some of my best experiences in the past year on BA flights but also some of the worst. (And when I still lived in Glasgow, the only easily accessible hubs were LHR, LGW, and AMS… which kinda pushed me towards BA. Now I'm in London I'm vastly more likely to try other airlines.)

Speaking of other airlines, flew with Finnair for the first time on Saturday, KIX–HEL–LHR. The KIX–HEL leg was on one of their A350-900s and it was very nice, albeit slightly odd sitting at an angle to the front of the cabin! Lovely seat, nice, good food, mixed cabin crew (one was among the nicest I've ever had, ever; I maybe should've got her name to actually send some positive feedback; but some of the others were pretty disinterested). Can't comment on how the seat was as a bed, given daytime flight.

I doubt quite as nice as the JAL 777-300ER I was on to Japan, which was frankly fantastic as a bed (just shame the noise and cabin pressure and humidity always makes it harder for me to sleep on them!). On the other hand, the A330-300 from HEL–LHR was grim. Horrible interior, disinterested crew, and then I left one of my laptops on it…

WestCoast · 30 Sep 2019

I have to say I do still quite like BA, if only for the fact they seem to be the only airline in the world that can serve a decent gin and tonic, at least in economy. Joking aside, yes they are quite hit and miss long-haul but I do find some of their crews are true professionals that really will look after you. Had a really nice flight with them down to Nairobi last year but also a pretty rubbish one across to Miami.

I find KLM consistently very middle of the road and I've had enough weather related problems at Schipol to make me avoid the place if I don't have to transit there. Had an absolute rubbish time coming back from Istanbul via AMS in February, they cancelled a lot of schedule and I ended up queuing for 5 hours to be rebooked and lost a day stuck there. At least if that happens at Heathrow I've got the option of the train up to Scotland is my thinking.

Next up I've got a work trip to Malaysia and I'm booked on Malaysia Airlines which suits me as I can credit the miles to BA Executive Club. However, I have heard really mixed things about Malaysia Airlines economy so no idea what to expect.....anyone flown them?

Bald Rick · 30 Sep 2019

flymo said:
Currently in New York having arrived yesterday from Manchester on G-VROM an 18-year old B747-400. I realize after that flight why I never fly Virgin any more, my goodness the cabin service was painful. Virgin were a great airline in the 90's but the airline mindset seems to be still 25 years ago, so many others have surpassed them by leaps and bounds now. The 747 performed admirably as it is still a great aircraft with legendary performance but the interior cabin and service and the crew we had is not. Maybe it was just bad luck or we all had an off-day.

Flight back on Thursday which will be my last flight with Virgin, as it stands as I only booked with them to burn off my remaining Flying Club airmiles, been flying with Virgin for 25 year now but enough is enough.

Quite likely my last ever B747 flight the way these are being retired now.

Perhaps the crew knew the history of VROM and were a bit nervous!

The Virgin 747s are on borrowed time, only a couple more years until they go. Reports I’m hearing from their A350s are exceptional.

darloscott · 30 Sep 2019

I am silver with BA so I am very much biased towards flying with them, and have consistently had good to very good crews, some being exceptional recently. However this year I've really had a year of trying other carriers too with a few crazy trips put together. I found KLM to be pretty good although I do agree they're very middle of the road, efficient but not exactly overly friendly, I rate them ahead of Air France though. I've also tried Lufthansa and Austrian from that group and they too were efficient and generally very good. Frankfurt as a hub seemed to work quite well despite its size, although I think I still prefer T5.
I had an amusing trip in January using AF/KL with 8 flights in 4 days over a long weekend which included BAe 146, Avro RJ85 and two Fokker 100s on the Hop! network and my recent crazy one in the summer with 13 flights in 10 days including the two Chinese short haul European flights with Sichuan and Hainan, BA's new Club Suite to Madrid, Lufthansa A340s and an Eastern J41.

Jamesrob637 · 1 Oct 2019

Anyone done Hainan Airlines long-haul? I've just flown them Edinburgh to Dublin (where I currently am: my flight back to Manchester is in 3 hours as I gave myself a generous connection in case Hainan was delayed, which of course today it was punctual!). The flight from Edinburgh to Dublin was fine but there was absolutely no cabin service.

darloscott · 1 Oct 2019

Jamesrob637 said:
Anyone done Hainan Airlines long-haul? I've just flown them Edinburgh to Dublin (where I currently am: my flight back to Manchester is in 3 hours as I gave myself a generous connection in case Hainan was delayed, which of course today it was punctual!). The flight from Edinburgh to Dublin was fine but there was absolutely no cabin service.

We got given a sandwich and bottle of water on the Dublin-Edinburgh leg, albeit they were handed out before departure which I found a bit odd!

Techniquest · 2 Oct 2019

Did anyone else find themselves booking a trip during the BA sale? Final day was yesterday and while watching an aviation trip report on YouTube yesterday I couldn't resist the temptation to have a scout around for January 2020.

At one point I was looking at a short trip to Sofia, but the gut instinct got me looking at Poland instead. Which has been on my bucket list for far too long, and as I know virtually nothing about Bulgaria I put that one into the 'one day' pile. Apparently those flights were booked A320 out, A319 back, a detail which becomes more important in a moment. Considering it was around £122 for a 2 night stay, including flights and luggage, that wasn't bad whatsoever.

So I considered Warsaw but chose to look up Krakow first. Nice looking 3 star hotel, pretty close to the city centre, reasonably timed flights, but importantly these were showing as booked A321neo in both directions. Following my recent experience of this craft type with Wizz Air and liking the Neos that definitely got me reaching for the wallet. Flights, luggage and 2 nights at the hotel for £136 was a pretty reasonable figure, and before I knew it I'd booked it!

What is slightly crazy is that I am due to land at the mighty Heathrow on 14th January (around 10:45, so not too bad) from LAX. The morning after, I'm now due to take off again from Heathrow at 09:05. It's fair to say I'll be getting a good bit of air miles in during January 2020!

So after January 2020 my bucket list will compromise entirely of the Grand Canyon and New Zealand. How long it will take to get the list clear is presently unknown, but I seriously doubt it will take too long!

As for BA (I've been off the forum for a few days, catching up currently) I've had mixed experiences but none of them have been terrible. My best crew with BA were on my quick spin to Milan in 2017, and while the long-haul crews weren't amazing I chalk that up to really high expectations and a bad day.

I mean, they can't be that bad considering the majority of my forthcoming flights are on BA. For clarification, they are LHR-FRA, HND-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-KRK and KRK-LHR. Only one not on BA for the foreseeable is FRA-NRT on Japan Airlines!

cactustwirly · 2 Oct 2019

Techniquest said:
Did anyone else find themselves booking a trip during the BA sale? Final day was yesterday and while watching an aviation trip report on YouTube yesterday I couldn't resist the temptation to have a scout around for January 2020.

At one point I was looking at a short trip to Sofia, but the gut instinct got me looking at Poland instead. Which has been on my bucket list for far too long, and as I know virtually nothing about Bulgaria I put that one into the 'one day' pile. Apparently those flights were booked A320 out, A319 back, a detail which becomes more important in a moment. Considering it was around £122 for a 2 night stay, including flights and luggage, that wasn't bad whatsoever.

So I considered Warsaw but chose to look up Krakow first. Nice looking 3 star hotel, pretty close to the city centre, reasonably timed flights, but importantly these were showing as booked A321neo in both directions. Following my recent experience of this craft type with Wizz Air and liking the Neos that definitely got me reaching for the wallet. Flights, luggage and 2 nights at the hotel for £136 was a pretty reasonable figure, and before I knew it I'd booked it!

What is slightly crazy is that I am due to land at the mighty Heathrow on 14th January (around 10:45, so not too bad) from LAX. The morning after, I'm now due to take off again from Heathrow at 09:05. It's fair to say I'll be getting a good bit of air miles in during January 2020!

So after January 2020 my bucket list will compromise entirely of the Grand Canyon and New Zealand. How long it will take to get the list clear is presently unknown, but I seriously doubt it will take too long!

As for BA (I've been off the forum for a few days, catching up currently) I've had mixed experiences but none of them have been terrible. My best crew with BA were on my quick spin to Milan in 2017, and while the long-haul crews weren't amazing I chalk that up to really high expectations and a bad day.

I mean, they can't be that bad considering the majority of my forthcoming flights are on BA. For clarification, they are LHR-FRA, HND-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-KRK and KRK-LHR. Only one not on BA for the foreseeable is FRA-NRT on Japan Airlines!

There was a seat sale?

YorkshireBear · 2 Oct 2019

cactustwirly said:
There was a seat sale?

I thought it was a sale only on flight plus either hotel or car as I am looking at vancouver next year on their A380.
The car was 50 quid for two weeks. Unfortunately I was just gauging prices from Manchester and not buying. Not ready to commit yet.

Royston Vasey · 2 Oct 2019

Techniquest said:
Did anyone else find themselves booking a trip during the BA sale? Final day was yesterday and while watching an aviation trip report on YouTube yesterday I couldn't resist the temptation to have a scout around for January 2020.

At one point I was looking at a short trip to Sofia, but the gut instinct got me looking at Poland instead. Which has been on my bucket list for far too long, and as I know virtually nothing about Bulgaria I put that one into the 'one day' pile. Apparently those flights were booked A320 out, A319 back, a detail which becomes more important in a moment. Considering it was around £122 for a 2 night stay, including flights and luggage, that wasn't bad whatsoever.

So I considered Warsaw but chose to look up Krakow first. Nice looking 3 star hotel, pretty close to the city centre, reasonably timed flights, but importantly these were showing as booked A321neo in both directions. Following my recent experience of this craft type with Wizz Air and liking the Neos that definitely got me reaching for the wallet. Flights, luggage and 2 nights at the hotel for £136 was a pretty reasonable figure, and before I knew it I'd booked it!

What is slightly crazy is that I am due to land at the mighty Heathrow on 14th January (around 10:45, so not too bad) from LAX. The morning after, I'm now due to take off again from Heathrow at 09:05. It's fair to say I'll be getting a good bit of air miles in during January 2020!

So after January 2020 my bucket list will compromise entirely of the Grand Canyon and New Zealand. How long it will take to get the list clear is presently unknown, but I seriously doubt it will take too long!

As for BA (I've been off the forum for a few days, catching up currently) I've had mixed experiences but none of them have been terrible. My best crew with BA were on my quick spin to Milan in 2017, and while the long-haul crews weren't amazing I chalk that up to really high expectations and a bad day.

I mean, they can't be that bad considering the majority of my forthcoming flights are on BA. For clarification, they are LHR-FRA, HND-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-KRK and KRK-LHR. Only one not on BA for the foreseeable is FRA-NRT on Japan Airlines!

I trust you've joined BA Executive Club as with your BA and Oneworld (JL) plans you should have enough for Bronze status at least - you'll be doing tier point runs via Doha before you know it!

cactustwirly · 2 Oct 2019

Had a really good flight on EI-FOD, on Monday evening, from Pisa to Stansted.
Actually not much to complain about Ryanair, good legroom, plane was mostly on time, except for the Italian ATC holding us up for 15 minutes.

God I hate Stansted though, the queue for immigration was ridiculous, the whole terminal is so overcrowded, and it's knowhere near anything

Techniquest · 2 Oct 2019

Royston Vasey said:
I trust you've joined BA Executive Club as with your BA and Oneworld (JL) plans you should have enough for Bronze status at least - you'll be doing tier point runs via Doha before you know it!

I believe I joined some time last year, frustratingly after my Canada trip by the looks of it. I have zero tier points currently, and 1,778 Avios. Which is appalling, and as you can imagine is a driving factor behind booking flights with BA!

I honestly have no idea what benefits BA's Executive Club brings, I haven't really looked but I may well do after this post. Come the end of January 2020 I do expect to have a fair handful of Avios and Executive Club tier points! After all that's a fair whack of miles I'm doing on BA in the next few months, and assuming they have a sale on again early on in 2020 I'll soon have another set of flights booked. I'm already thinking of where else I want to fly to with BA, and I've got way too many ideas at the moment.

Techniquest · 2 Oct 2019

YorkshireBear said:
I thought it was a sale only on flight plus either hotel or car as I am looking at vancouver next year on their A380.
The car was 50 quid for two weeks. Unfortunately I was just gauging prices from Manchester and not buying. Not ready to commit yet.

No idea to be honest, I clicked on the sale link and I ended up looking through the city break options it gave me.

Incidentally, I had originally looked at just the flights for Heathrow to Warsaw and back in the app for January 2020. Not bad at £96 or so, cabin bag only, but I'm very much happier with what I got for £40 more

Royston Vasey · 2 Oct 2019

Techniquest said:
I believe I joined some time last year, frustratingly after my Canada trip by the looks of it. I have zero tier points currently, and 1,778 Avios. Which is appalling, and as you can imagine is a driving factor behind booking flights with BA!

I honestly have no idea what benefits BA's Executive Club brings, I haven't really looked but I may well do after this post. Come the end of January 2020 I do expect to have a fair handful of Avios and Executive Club tier points! After all that's a fair whack of miles I'm doing on BA in the next few months, and assuming they have a sale on again early on in 2020 I'll soon have another set of flights booked. I'm already thinking of where else I want to fly to with BA, and I've got way too many ideas at the moment.

You may be able to backdate a claim for "Missing Avios & Tier Points" but I'm not sure they'd go back that far, worth a try. They're busy at the moment with Original Routing Credits after the strikes so may take a couple of weeks for a response.

Avios rewards short haul start at 4,500 Avios each way IIRC which is quite a good use of them, so you'll soon get there. Upgrading World Traveller to Plus or World Traveller Plus to Club World is another sweet spot. Long haul economy is a waste of Avios as although the ticket is cancellable the fees are roughly the same as a discount economy fare itself.

Bronze at 300 tier points offers earlier seat selection (T-7) and business class check-in, not much else, but better than nothing. You also earn 25% bonus Avios whilst Bronze. Certainly a good first target for you!

atillathehunn · 2 Oct 2019

Royston Vasey said:
You may be able to backdate a claim for "Missing Avios & Tier Points" but I'm not sure they'd go back that far, worth a try. They're busy at the moment with Original Routing Credits after the strikes so may take a couple of weeks for a response.

Avios rewards short haul start at 4,500 Avios each way IIRC which is quite a good use of them, so you'll soon get there. Upgrading World Traveller to Plus or World Traveller Plus to Club World is another sweet spot. Long haul economy is a waste of Avios as although the ticket is cancellable the fees are roughly the same as a discount economy fare itself.

Bronze at 300 tier points offers earlier seat selection (T-7) and business class check-in, not much else, but better than nothing. You also earn 25% bonus Avios whilst Bronze. Certainly a good first target for you!

I believe if you joined the programme after you took the flight there is no chance of redeeming the missing Avios. Maybe you'll have luck, but I don't think that so.

Or buy WTP and upgrade to CW. The problem with shorthaul redemptions on BA is the taxes. It's possible tax free on Vueling, but then you have to fly Vueling and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

FQTV · 2 Oct 2019

atillathehunn said:
I believe if you joined the programme after you took the flight there is no chance of redeeming the missing Avios. Maybe you'll have luck, but I don't think that so.

Or buy WTP and upgrade to CW. The problem with shorthaul redemptions on BA is the taxes. It's possible tax free on Vueling, but then you have to fly Vueling and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

You can join the Executive Club and retro-claim for eligible flights taken up to three months prior to joining.

Once you are a member, you can claim for missing flights up to six months after the date of travel.

Taxes, fees and charges are capped for shorthaul redemptions at £35/€42 return in economy (Euro Traveller) and £50/€60 return in business (Club Europe).

In practice, as BA doesn't charge YQ Carrier Surcharge on shorthaul redemptions onto its own flights, the cash component can be substantially less than the cap, especially for inbound sectors which are not subject to UK Air Passenger Duty.

A one-way redemption from Madrid to London on BA is therefore currently 50p in both Economy and Business Classes.

atillathehunn · 2 Oct 2019

FQTV said:
You can join the Executive Club and retro-claim for eligible flights taken up to three months prior to joining.

Once you are a member, you can claim for missing flights up to six months after the date of travel.

Taxes, fees and charges are capped for shorthaul redemptions at £35/€42 return in economy (Euro Traveller) and £50/€60 return in business (Club Europe).

In practice, as BA doesn't charge YQ Carrier Surcharge on shorthaul redemptions onto its own flights, the cash component can be substantially less than the cap, especially for inbound sectors which are not subject to UK Air Passenger Duty.

A one-way redemption from Madrid to London on BA is therefore currently 50p in both Economy and Business Classes.

Colour me corrected

Techniquest · 3 Oct 2019

Thanks for the gen everyone, much more useful than anything I found on the BA site! I see I joined in early January 2019, so I must have been able to claim Avios for my Tallinn trip if nothing else. I'm not sure to be honest, but good to know reward redemption begins at 4,500 Avios, I'll have them by the time I return from Tokyo.

Frustratingly, even if I got enough Tier points to get me to Bronze, the new year of them begins for me on 8th January 2020. The same day I fly out to LAX, so at least the Tier points from that trip (I think it said I get 50 from the LAX trip) will be at the beginning of the next year!

Recently I got tempted to book a trip to Buenos Aires, long story, and it won't be a surprise to hear I'll be considering BA for such a trip. It'll depend obviously on the cost for the quick spin and, importantly, on the craft type in use for such a long flight. If it was, for example, an A380 I wouldn't be so interested but a 777 or 787, oh yes please!

Gonna be a while until I can afford that one though...

Tetchytyke · 3 Oct 2019

Turns out Malaysian did allocate business seats and first class suites to passengers on the Thomas Cook salvation mission. Jammy buggers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...us-a380-plane-civil-aviation-authority-a91288

Indulgence is the key for Yassin Mrabet, a Londoner in his 30s who is occupying seat 14K on the upper deck – not sitting, but stretched out along the 6ft 6in length of the flat bed.

All eight first-class “suites” and 66 business class seats are occupied by passengers who expected to be flying on a high-density, narrow-bodied jet.

Mr Mrabet had flown out from Gatwick to Palma on Norwegian but happened to have booked a Thomas Cook flight home. Even though he had opted for a trip not covered by an Air Travel Organiser’s Licence (Atol), he was emailed by the CAA and invited to check in for the flight to Manchester. After two-and-a-half hours of luxury he faces four or five hours on a bus.

“It’s not convenient for me,” he says. “But it could be worse. it could be to Glasgow.”

Also seems they did a complimentary beverage service.

Tetchytyke · 3 Oct 2019

Techniquest said:
If it was, for example, an A380 I wouldn't be so interested but a 777 or 787, oh yes please!

A BA 777 or 787 for such a long flight? I hope you're not thinking of flying economy!

Bletchleyite · 3 Oct 2019

Well they won the Thomas Cook lottery, didn't they!

Even Economy on Malaysia's aircraft is excellent - 34" pitch and 3-3-3 across on a 777. Probably the best Economy class in the world.

Techniquest · 3 Oct 2019

Arctic Troll said:
A BA 777 or 787 for such a long flight? I hope you're not thinking of flying economy!

Doesn't look *that* much longer (around 14 hours from memory of looking at break time this morning) than Haneda to Heathrow, and I'm doing that 12h40m flight on a BA 777 next month. In Economy, before you ask, yes.

I did Sydney to Abu Dhabi in Economy earlier this year, and that was 14h46m, so yeah I'm up for the challenge. Quite, I'd take on Heathrow to Perth on that direct flight with Qantas in Economy...

scotrail158713 · 3 Oct 2019

Techniquest said:
Doesn't look *that* much longer (around 14 hours from memory of looking at break time this morning) than Haneda to Heathrow, and I'm doing that 12h40m flight on a BA 777 next month. In Economy, before you ask, yes.

I did Sydney to Abu Dhabi in Economy earlier this year, and that was 14h46m, so yeah I'm up for the challenge. Quite, I'd take on Heathrow to Perth on that direct flight with Qantas in Economy...

I agree. I’m at an age where I can put up with a long flight in economy. However I know many people with
“more life experience

” struggle with a long flight in economy.

fowler9 · 3 Oct 2019

Techniquest said:
Did anyone else find themselves booking a trip during the BA sale? Final day was yesterday and while watching an aviation trip report on YouTube yesterday I couldn't resist the temptation to have a scout around for January 2020.

At one point I was looking at a short trip to Sofia, but the gut instinct got me looking at Poland instead. Which has been on my bucket list for far too long, and as I know virtually nothing about Bulgaria I put that one into the 'one day' pile. Apparently those flights were booked A320 out, A319 back, a detail which becomes more important in a moment. Considering it was around £122 for a 2 night stay, including flights and luggage, that wasn't bad whatsoever.

So I considered Warsaw but chose to look up Krakow first. Nice looking 3 star hotel, pretty close to the city centre, reasonably timed flights, but importantly these were showing as booked A321neo in both directions. Following my recent experience of this craft type with Wizz Air and liking the Neos that definitely got me reaching for the wallet. Flights, luggage and 2 nights at the hotel for £136 was a pretty reasonable figure, and before I knew it I'd booked it!

What is slightly crazy is that I am due to land at the mighty Heathrow on 14th January (around 10:45, so not too bad) from LAX. The morning after, I'm now due to take off again from Heathrow at 09:05. It's fair to say I'll be getting a good bit of air miles in during January 2020!

So after January 2020 my bucket list will compromise entirely of the Grand Canyon and New Zealand. How long it will take to get the list clear is presently unknown, but I seriously doubt it will take too long!

As for BA (I've been off the forum for a few days, catching up currently) I've had mixed experiences but none of them have been terrible. My best crew with BA were on my quick spin to Milan in 2017, and while the long-haul crews weren't amazing I chalk that up to really high expectations and a bad day.

I mean, they can't be that bad considering the majority of my forthcoming flights are on BA. For clarification, they are LHR-FRA, HND-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-KRK and KRK-LHR. Only one not on BA for the foreseeable is FRA-NRT on Japan Airlines!

Is it January you are going to Krakow? Lovely city. It will be rather cold that time of year with plenty of snow so wrap up warm. Been there and Warsaw a couple of times and was down the road in Katowice, Tychy and Bielsko-Biala last January, down to minus 15. Lots of great stuff to see and do in Krakow.

Techniquest · 3 Oct 2019

fowler9 said:
Is it January you are going to Krakow? Lovely city. It will be rather cold that time of year with plenty of snow so wrap up warm. Been there and Warsaw a couple of times and was down the road in Katowice, Tychy and Bielsko-Biala last January, down to minus 15. Lots of great stuff to see and do in Krakow.

It will be aye, I arrive on 15th January in Krakow. Yeah it will no doubt be rather fresh, at least on the bright side I might not come back with a cold this time. Usually do when I go to somewhere warm :lol:

Katowice, one of several cities I want to do. Gdansk, Lodz and Warsaw being three others, Poznan too.

fowler9 · 3 Oct 2019

Techniquest said:
It will be aye, I arrive on 15th January in Krakow. Yeah it will no doubt be rather fresh, at least on the bright side I might not come back with a cold this time. Usually do when I go to somewhere warm

Katowice, one of several cities I want to do. Gdansk, Lodz and Warsaw being three others, Poznan too.

Katowice is alright. It is in the heart of an interesting industrial area which includes Krakow. The area can look very harsh in Winter but I love it. Gdansk is well worth a visit and is a lovely city as is Sopot very near by and Gdynia. Sopot is a lovely summer resort. Lodz is nice, got shown around by a girl I know from there. Warsaw is interesting, definitely worth a visit with lots of interesting buildings and museums.

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