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And where are those 387s going to come from?
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I would expect a refurb like EMT are planning to do with the 360s.
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Today's Railways reports that GTR are only losing their Eversholt 171's to EMR, that's all of the ex Scotrail units which will be converted back to three car 170's. 170416 -170420 are no longer going to Southern and are now going to EMR instead. As for the others, which are Porterbrook owned, who knows what will happen to them on the Uckfield Line
Modern Railways and the EMR fleet spreadsheet disagree with you.
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Where can I find the EMR fleet spreadsheet?
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I would have thought the decision and procurement of the new rolling stock would have been left to GTRs successor post 2022? I always thought it was up to the bidder to decide and propose their rolling stock strategy. For all that we know whilst unlikely they could propose a completely different mix of rolling stock.
The problem is that the new franchise wouldn't have the time to get "new" stock sorted before the 171s depart...
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Rye could probably take a 4 Car EMU (20m Coaches). Some have short platforms, like1 coach, but with ASDO its not too much of an issue.
According to the sectional appendix, based on MK1 Coaches (so it says) are:
Hamstreet: 4 Coaches (UP/DN)
Appledore: 4 Coaches (DN/UP)
Rye: 4 Coaches (DN/UP)
Winchelsea: 4 Coaches (Single Plat)
Doleham: 1 Coach (Single Plat)
Three Oaks: 1 Coach (Single Plat)
Ore: 6 Coaches (UP/DN) But it's currently SDO 5.
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A couple of months ago a /8 got onto the Marshlink and I think that Rye was able to take all four, Ham Street 3 (and maybe Appledore as well) and Three Oaks one only. I can't remember the train stopping at Winchelsea and Doleham, but in past experience of the line I think I remember Winchelsea only being able to fit one coach, but I may be wrong. I'm pretty sure this has to do with Turbostars having 23m coaches.
On this trip the guard was going through the train telling passengers to move forward for the next station because the trains are usually 2 coaches, but I think this is why there aren't many 4-coach Turbostars on the line... It's just a hassle. If they went for longer platforms it might work but right now 4 coaches is not really an option.
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It would benefit all the DC Electrostars if they had batteries - even if these only permitted a few miles of travel. My thoughts are not for non-electrified routes but to provide greater resilience in wintry weather so that the trains could cope with short periods of poor third rail contact without falling over.
My thoughts turn to what happened in the Lewisham area a year or so ago - if the train had even been able to travel at 20 mph (until reaching power rails that were not iced over) it would have been better than coming to a halt and passengers self-evacuating in sheer desperation.
My thoughts turn to what happened in the Lewisham area a year or so ago - if the train had even been able to travel at 20 mph (until reaching power rails that were not iced over) it would have been better than coming to a halt and passengers self-evacuating in sheer desperation.
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Yeah the sectional appendix bases platform lengths on Mk1 coaches, so 20ms. Turbos are 23m, as you said so currently there is some differences. If they did become 20m Electrostar EMUs they could follow the Mk1 based Platform Lengths. Of course, most Electrostars have ASDO, unlike the 171s so platforms lengths become less of an issue.
Even enough battery power to maintain some level of heating/ventilation and lighting, as well as allowing the operation of toilets, would help if a train is stranded. Of course heating takes quite a lot of power, but a lot less than trying to move a train.
Exactly right. It also helps keep trains moving (even if only slowly) if the power is off for any reason - flooding, trespass (of which there is much in south London), con rail system fault (of which there is much wherever it is), temporary isolation to do trackwork, etc.
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Bombardier signs €100m deal to make UK’s first battery-powered trains
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...m-deal-make-uks-first-battery-powered-trains/
Big news about battery trains, massive news about electrification?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...m-deal-make-uks-first-battery-powered-trains/
Big news about battery trains, massive news about electrification?
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There’s plenty of 700s for Maidstone - why do you think there’s so many sitting spare at Three Bridges?
I think the person concerned is living in hope of a 700 free GN side rather than practical reality.
(My own feeling is that 700 reliability isn't at required levels to run the full service yet)
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It is a Telegraph article so don't expect accuracy...
Bombardier has signed a five year battery supply deal, separately they are interpreting the Jo Johnson no diesel only beyond 2040 as everything has to be electrified by 2040
edwin_m
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But on current plans "electrified" will be a lot of batteries or hydrogen and very little actual electrification.
Agreed but I suspect there will be a reasonable bit of electrification but the recent English focus on intercity main line type scheme will change to an urban area lead one to eliminate /substantially reduce diesel running in AQMAs/CAZs. E.g. more akin to Scotland recent approach but for different reasons.
E.g. Focus on many routes out of Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, with some other infills where the traffic level is 4TPH+ then reassess. In parallel ponder what is needed to electrify more freight services - around 50% by stkm will be common to both.
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Will this really be that feasible on the Uckfield Line though where they regularly run 10 coach trains and its not like Eastbourne-Ashford where the trains will be operating on third rail up to Ore and then presumably charging again whilst sitting on the platform at Ashford.
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Maybe they could upgrade the power supply on the electrified section so that they could charge as they were moving as well as station stops. If there are 10 coach trains,there will be batteries in all 10 coaches to power the train over the non-electrified section,so the length of the train is irrelevant.
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Or the ORR should just allow more third rail extensions for sods sake. One third rail fleet would be easy to manage.
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If there's no funding to Electrify at 25kv up North, I doubt they'd take kindly to converting the already Electrified BML to 25kv - just cos. Its better the ORR allow the 3rd Rail "Gaps" to be plugged. The ELL Extension was 3rd Rail Afterall...
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It won't be GTR's problem - so, today's 'joined-up railway' being as strategic as ever. Wonderful.
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It couldn't really be anything else, as the clearances through the (original) Thames Tunnel leave much to be desired.
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