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Well, they don't go around planning to kill people, they only want to cause mass disruption, in which case you'd also have to call Northern* a terrorist organisation.
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Extinction Rebellion transport disruption from 17/04/2019
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Well, they don't go around planning to kill people, they only want to cause mass disruption, in which case you'd also have to call Northern* a terrorist organisation.
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AlterEgo
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Preposterous hysteria to suggest we will lose those places in a few years.
reddragon
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It is official policy to abandon Fairbourne to the see by 2022. Just listen to the scientists and not the Daily Mail
reddragon
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Exactly. The disruption of commuters' journeys with the intention of getting Parliament to do something about climate change isn't fair - what if I stood at the end of their drive at their house, for example, and made getting to work a right pain in the proverbial? They wouldn't like it.
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Almost nobody 'needs' to drive in Central London and NOBODY has the right to drive polluting vehicles and harming others in the centre on London. Rail, bike and car users are not affected.
reddragon
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Apart from the many pensioners, the are also a lot of doctors, engineers, farmers, civil servants, politicians and joe bloggs who have taken their own time off work
reddragon
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A tiny fraction of the resources already used to deal with extreme weather. Want to visit Bahamas?
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coughtaxiscough
Yes - people don't need to drive, but they do. If this group try targeting the rail system again, then rail will be affected (obvious statement is obvious and all that
)Also - just a note - those using bikes, on roads, cannot get past a road-width block of people.
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reddragon
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15% of black cabs are already EVs and Uber are 'cough' prius's
reddragon
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Yes - people don't need to drive, but they do. If this group try targeting the rail system again, then rail will be affected (obvious statement is obvious and all that
Also - just a note - those using bikes, on roads, cannot get past a road-width block of people.
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Emergency vehicles, those on foot or on a bike are not affected, just buses and cars etc
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You said nobody should drive into a city. Taxis have to drive into cities to earn money.
nlogax
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Trucks and vans have to do so too. Unless we want to see businesses going to the wall and rubbish piling up on the streets?
HSTEd
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Just listen to a bunch of self serving councillors you mean?
The council has to pay for flood defence but is not required to pay compensation for abandoning property.
So they abandon to save a tiny amount of money and society has to pick up the tab.hyuû6
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Maybe it could all just be magiced away with help from a Witch Doctor...
Geezertronic
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How, can they unglue themselves to allow emergency vehicles through? Plus why stop public transport?
Yet the hypocrisy continues with the Extinction Rebellion camp in London using a diesel generator...
Terry Tait
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Something has to be done, private cars are far too numerous in London and cause the buses to take longer, add into that the cycle lanes and lost bus lanes and the fact that every single inch of Greater London is being built on, what we have now is going to gridlock unless a lot of overhead roads are built.
I support their cause but totally baffled by their methods.
In Cambridge I kind of resent being held up by them on my way to work on the bus when they've protested and blocked up traffic, especially when I do make (I think) intelligent travel choices by prefering buses, trains and walking, and my car coming off the drive "by exception".
I don't appreciate being "punished" when I am (and my family are) already (I think) doing my bit.
I do think they have reason in getting those people who only ever drive out of laziness (when they've got reasonable travel choices available to them) to think about their travel habits, but I don't like being "collateral" in their actions.
In Cambridge I kind of resent being held up by them on my way to work on the bus when they've protested and blocked up traffic, especially when I do make (I think) intelligent travel choices by prefering buses, trains and walking, and my car coming off the drive "by exception".
I don't appreciate being "punished" when I am (and my family are) already (I think) doing my bit.
I do think they have reason in getting those people who only ever drive out of laziness (when they've got reasonable travel choices available to them) to think about their travel habits, but I don't like being "collateral" in their actions.
The problem is that people like you and your family doing their bit really isn't going to make any difference. A much larger response from governments is required.
reddragon
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I agree with you. There is so much the Government could do to help us all, but they choose not to as they have investments in oil & minerals. We as tax payers have to pay enormous sums each year to subsidise the oil, gas & coal industries for which a few benefit from, not us.
Wind & solar are free of control, monopoly and cut out these wealthy profiteers. That is why there is a rebellion and we are collateral.
I’ve had cause to walk through several of the protest ‘camps’ today. This protest is rather different to the last one. This time a significant proportion of the protesters - including those who camped out - seem to be aged 50+. It was quite amusing to see a great many bleary eyed pensioner (or nearly pensioners) walking around Whitehall / St James’ Park this morning looking like they had had a rough night on a foam mat laid on tarmac. (What I really want to know is where did they go to the loo if they needed it in the middle of the night?)
It all seemed good natured. But their ‘demand’ to go carbon neutral by 2025 is completely impractical, and doesn’t help the wider sustainability cause - in the same way that those campaigning for the reopening of no hope railway lines (you know the ones) detract from the argument of the routes that may well have a good case.
It all seemed good natured. But their ‘demand’ to go carbon neutral by 2025 is completely impractical, and doesn’t help the wider sustainability cause - in the same way that those campaigning for the reopening of no hope railway lines (you know the ones) detract from the argument of the routes that may well have a good case.
I think that’s a rather strange statement, and not at all based in fact.
The U.K. government doesn’t subsidise the oil / gas / coal industry, indeed they have effectively put the latter out of business with policies designed to reduce carbon. And yet Wind and Solar have benefited hugely from U.K. state subsidies, and the people who have built them have made (and continue to make) healthy profits.
Kite159
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I'm looking forward to seeing news reports of the "Extinction Rebellion" campaign in countries like China about getting that country to reduce their carbon emissions...
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reddragon
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China produces most of the worlds EVs, electric buses, solar panels and batteries. We outsourced our industry & waste disposal to China.
They have the most progressive renewable and climate change agendas on earth, building more solar, wind electric cars & buses than the rest of the world combined!
I would say the Grauniad gave a very very slanted version of some statistics. Read the article.
The government is quite clear it does not subsidise fossil fuels. The study (from 2016), includes as ‘subsidy’ the U.K. charging only 5% VAT on domestic energy compared to 20% VAT on everything else. Given that most electricity is now generated carbon free (70% as I write), then Government is clearly subsidising renewables more!
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Kite159
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Ah electric vehicles, where some of the metals used in the batteries just magically appear from thin air, not mined out of the ground by big machinery....
I must have been dreaming seeing pictures of all those coal burning power stations generating electricity to allow electric buses to run
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And this makes up for the massive amount of pollution they produce?
AlterEgo
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Well, quite. It's also a village built on mud flats, which is a stupid place to build anywhere.
HSTEd
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Unfortunately however, the village is already there.
And will need to be replaced, apparently it has over a thousand residents which implies several hundred households and all associated infrastructure and amenities.
Houses cost an awful lot in England and Wales these days.
The council should be required to pay the full cost of replacement of said assets if it choses to abandon them.
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