Esker-pades
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What's the point of this comment?I'm looking forward to seeing news reports of the "Extinction Rebellion" campaign in countries like China about getting that country to reduce their carbon emissions...
What's the point of this comment?I'm looking forward to seeing news reports of the "Extinction Rebellion" campaign in countries like China about getting that country to reduce their carbon emissions...
They been a bit of a pest down here as well. It's been pointed out to them how blocking public transport isn't a good idea given it's a tool to help reduce emissions. Our tram network for instance is powered by solar yet they block off the streets with the trams on them!
I remember reading recently (I cannot remember the source, I would provide it if I did) that Extinction Rebellion take up more police resources than terrorist groups like ISIS do.
So you could indirectly list Extinction Rebellion as a terrorist organisation. Not that I would necessarily support that.
Extinction Rebellion themselves have apologised for the disruption, saying that it's the only way to get proper action to be taken before it's too late.
The idea is it will make the govt take action as they'll realise how many people feel so strongly about the climate issue.
What else do they do? Give up and go home? "The future of the planet is at stake but Dominic Cummings won't listen, so we might as well not bother." No. Something has to happen, and this is probably the best way of forcing some sort of action. Occupying parts of the capital city is going to be a lot more effective than sending a strongly-worded petition to the Environment Secretary.Yes, I get that's the idea. In reality it won't translate into action. Call me a buzzkill but fighting for the government's attention at this moment in time is a pointless exercise.
Occupying parts of the capital city is going to be a lot more effective than sending a strongly-worded petition to the Environment Secretary.
A petition can easily be ignored. An occupation of parts of one's capital city can't be. Resources have to be dedicated to it (police have already been called in from all forces in England and Wales), and it will get the issue on the public agenda. Would it be on the news were it not for these protests? (Answer: no.)But effective -how-? I can keep asking all day but I fear we'd be going around in circles..
Bottom line; outside of treating XR as a minor nuisance the government are going to take as much notice of them as they are with to a 'strongly worded petition'. That's all there is to it.
The idea is it will make the govt take action as they'll realise how many people feel so strongly about the climate issue.
Take this analogy: I will turn up to climate protests for the same reason I would punch a bear that was eating me. I don't think it's going to work, but at least then it doesn't look like I wanted to be eaten by the bear.
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That image is largely a media concoction designed so that one doesn't have to engage with the actual reasons for the protests.It works better when it’s ‘real people’.
It doesn’t do the cause much good for the coverage to be of hippies dancing and doing yoga - that just associates climate change as ‘crazy folk’ nonsense.
That image is largely a media concoction designed so that one doesn't have to engage with the actual reasons for the protests.
So, your solution to the climate crisis is for people to fly out en-masse to China to protest there? Brilliant. Can't see any problems with that.That maybe if they want to change the heating of the earth, maybe they should target those countries who produce the most pollution? Rather than the easy target of causing trouble within London and costing the taxpayer money (all that extra police work, clean-up costs etc)
Even if the UK suddenly disappeared, worldwide it won't make much of an impact, not compared to the likes of USA/Russia/China.
Maybe if their aims were more realistic, rather than zero carbon by 2025 they would be more worthy.
I'm going to need a working definition of 'real people' and 'hippies' before I can make an informed response.It isn’t ‘concocted’ by the media. The hippies make a big colourful scene so the media are obviously going to use the better images.
How do you know that this isn't one of their aims? "Buy local" has been one of the hallmarks of getting individuals to reduce their carbon emission for years.XR etc could make a bigger effort at stopping imports from China, which are a bad thing on all sorts of levels.
Again, how do you know this [they aren't pushing it hard]?They aren’t pushing it very hard. I would be after a policy specifically targeting China.
So far, the government has declared a climate emergency. That is the part 1 of the 3 part XR bill.While I can't pretend I know of more effective ways to make a point for the climate change cause, this way really isn't working.
But China isn't the only state to fall fouls of those 3 principles. Thus, one should branch it out to all states who violate them.If they were pushing it hard I would have heard about it.
Specifically China because they are a massive exporter, massive polluter, and have an appalling human rights record so are all round a bad place for us to be supporting by exporting our pollution (at the cost of jobs here).
If they were pushing it hard I would have heard about it.
Specifically China because they are a massive exporter, massive polluter, and have an appalling human rights record so are all round a bad place for us to be supporting by exporting our pollution (at the cost of jobs here).
But China isn't the only state to fall fouls of those 3 principles. Thus, one should branch it out to all states who violate them.
Don't blame China for you being able to by dirty cheap TVs, mobiles and toys!