DarloRich
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I notice the EU are to blame for all of this because they wont compromise narrative is starting to ramp up........................
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Of course they're to blame. How could it possibly be our fault?
nlogax
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It's almost like everyone knew this would be official strategy *months* ago.
DynamicSpirit
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Exactly. I mean, for God's sake.... we're ENGLISH! *quick hushed consultation with the PR consultants* I mean we're BRITISH!
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Exactly. I mean, for God's sake.... we're ENGLISH! *quick hushed consultation with the PR consultants* I mean we're BRITISH!
Don't forget that the PM was elected on a TWO-THIRDS majority - one of the biggest landslides in recent years. Who says we're undemocratic?
(NB 150 000 people were eligible to vote)
DaleCooper
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...and they represented a broad spectrum of age, location, political views and affiliations.
Howardh
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The government's own no-deal planning report is out; https://assets.publishing.service.g...ttachment_data/file/837312/DExEUReportWEB.PDF probably worth saving as many of us (tourists, drivers, exporters, students etc) will have to keep referring back to it. I think a lot of people who are politically unattached to Brexit are going to be in for a shock somehere down the line, even if it's the loss of the EHIC meaning more (or no) expensive insurance for health cover.
I don't know how or if blind readers can obtain a copy (braille or read out) so any details would be appreciated. The report has just been published, so I expect down the line it will be available as such, and also in Welsh. (???)
I don't know how or if blind readers can obtain a copy (braille or read out) so any details would be appreciated. The report has just been published, so I expect down the line it will be available as such, and also in Welsh. (???)
On the main page that links to the document there is an email address for requesting an accessible format.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/no-deal-readiness-report
Howardh
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Thanks, missed that in the rush to get to the parts that affect me!!
Tetchytyke
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I don't think that's true. Many countries that went through what was, in effect, a civil war carry those divisions along, even if they're under the surface.
Countries that recover generally have truth and reconciliation commissions, though, where everyone can admit fault without consequences. That won't happen in the North, though, because the British Government will have to admit what has long been suspected: that they were behind the single worst atrocity of The Troubles, the Dublin/Monaghan bombing, not to mention the Miami Showband massacre.
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I do believe that the report is a piece of propaganda. It copies almost word for word Gove and Johnson's words...
Bletchleyite
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I suppose the whole thing could be thought of as a civil war - it only didn't involve an actual war because we generally aren't minded that way.
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To me it reads that the government, led by Buffoon Boris and his Fat Cat Mates, are deliberately trying to shaft us.
That is why, in my opinion, we need a new government, one led by Jeremy Corbyn, a government for the many, not for the fat cats.
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Shame that's so unpalatable to many, often those who would be pleasantly surprised and benefit by his premiership.
Even to those who do find Corbyn so unacceptable, he will serve a bit of time (he'll want to retire soon anyway), have most of his extreme policies voted down and hold an election.
Johnson will serve as much time as possible, use underhand tactics to force his law through and then boast about feeling confident on an election while forcing his opponents to stop it for other reasons.
Bletchleyite
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Regardless, Labour putting him forward as the leader of an emergency Government was irresponsible because they knew of its polarisation. A centrist candidate is vital at this point. The LDs get blamed for making this not work, but Labour are as guilty.
NoMorePacers
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I would personally nominate Dennis Skinner for interim Prime Minister.
Howardh
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Personally Frank (Skinner) could do a lot better than any of the others, but it needs someone who is detached from it all, which even rules out the speaker. Since Day One we have needed an honest broker, it could have been May but she got corrupted by the ERG and made things worse with her "saboteurs" nonsense when she should have gone for that soft Brexit.
Struner
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The Maybot “an honest broker”? 
nlogax
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The Maybot “an honest broker”?
She was, at least compared to the present occupier of No.10. We also shouldn't forget that she was also utterly hopeless and had a tin ear for consensual politics when the country needed it the most.
DarloRich
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The EU to blame for no deal narrative us ramping up very quickly now. Remeber this is all a game to Johnson.
Getting a deal seems to be getting increasingly more difficult when Number 10 is briefing against the EU in the most obvious way possible. "You can't have a deal unless you let us have Northern Ireland" is what Merkel said according to No10. The only response from the EU has been "we don't recognise what they are saying about the conversation".
Meanwhile, the cabinet are meeting, and complaining to Boris that his spokespeople are getting out of hand and seem to be deliberately making the process more difficult. They couldn't see that the same thing was happening right then because they'd had their phones taken off then.
Meanwhile, the cabinet are meeting, and complaining to Boris that his spokespeople are getting out of hand and seem to be deliberately making the process more difficult. They couldn't see that the same thing was happening right then because they'd had their phones taken off then.
Bletchleyite
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If this was developing 50 years ago I'd predict the outcome to be a long, bloody war, not a deal.
Thankfully however most European nations have cut their military's so far it'll just be a short bloody war instead!
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She was until the ERG got her.The Maybot “an honest broker”?
DarloRich
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I simply do not believe those words were used. The EU have behaved like adults throughout. It has been our Tory PM's ( and their Brexit company/ERG chums) who have behaved in a silly and childish manner. Luckily we have a PM now who has never been in trouble for not being entirely accurate with the truth....................
Bletchleyite
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Yes, this. The EU have behaved like statesmen and we have treated them like filth the whole time.
And they’ve essentially alongside others of equal or more extreme mindset, controlled the whole Brexit agenda ever since.
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I've always thought it's been a masterful piece of manipulation by the Brexiteers that they've managed to move the goal posts from leaving the EU with a deal (and even being in the Customs Union and EEA!) to "no-deal is the only way to respect the decision of the people!". Despite the fact that when you go back and look at what was being said by key leavers in 2016, i.e. the stuff that people might use to decide how they voted, was all about how of course we'd leave with a deal, of course we'll remain in the EEA and/or Customs Union.
And yet here we are...
Somebody's forgotten her time in the home office...
VauxhallandI
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Indeed and this is where I find it difficult to be in the "they were tricked" camp.
How any Brexit voter can look someone in the eye and say this is what they asked for I cannot and will not understand or accept. How can I not come to the conclusion that they are at best mugs and at worst pretty twisted
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