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Scotrail Class 385 Discussion
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hexagon789
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Re super off peak, Scotrail is running an offer of £5 single tickets between Edinburgh Waverley/Haymarket and Glasgow Queen Street until Friday 15 November 2019. These are available Monday to Friday between 11:00 and 15:00, and after 20:00 so no doubt trying to sell seats when 7/8 cars have lots of capacity.
These tickets seem to be paper only.
https://www.scotrail.co.uk/tickets/super-peak-day-single-tickets
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Not only that but a lot of the adjustable seats appear to be breaking already, won't lock back in the further back position which is utterly irrelevant in terms of obtainable comfort but what it does affect is the ability to get in and out at a table seat if the seat cushion is forward!
snookertam
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Any actual word on how the 385s will be deployed once the 314s are finally gone in 2 months time?
NorthClyde320
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I haven't saw any announcement yet, my guess would be 2 x 385 on Lanark releasing 2 x 318/320 & 3 or 4 x 385 on Gourock fasts/ Wemyss Bay releasing 3 x 318/320 & 1 x 380 which could replace the 1 x 318/320 on Paisley Canal, this could free up 6 x 318/320 to replace the current 5 x 314 diagrams, though all just my own guess work as I said.
hexagon789
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I take it that their use on Ayrshires has been ruled out then?
Altnabreac
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I think if they only do Lanark / Cathcart / Inverclyde then only Glasgow drivers need trained.
If they go south of Paisley then you have to clear all the Ayr drivers as well. Not that difficult but would take time and if they were only working limited services may be difficult to maintain traction knowledge?
hexagon789
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It's just there was discussion of them being used and the latest I'd heard (a few months ago) was that they were going to run on some Ayrshire services.
hexagon789
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I wasn't questioning whether they were needed, just saying that at least twice it's been stated that the 385s would have some Ayrshire diagrams. Unspecified what they would be but I haven't heard any word on this either way.
Yeah and I wouldn’t see any need either, it would just complicate things.
hexagon789
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I see, that's fine. Just the discussions on here aren't always wrong, but if ScotRail themselves have said that's not the plan then I more inclined to believe that as it is of course far simpler to remain with just one traction type operating those services.
snookertam
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ScotRail wouldn't necessarily need to train Ayr based drivers on the 385s to introduce them on some Ayrshire services - plenty Glasgow Central and Corkerhill based drivers go down there too and they could be restricted to those workings covered by those drivers.
However, I doubt such a move would be appreciated by Control staff, as where severe disruption occurred, and it is more difficult to keep units on their allocated diagrams, the chances of a Ayr driver encountering a unit they cannot drive would go up. So I can maybe see why they would wish to avoid tempting such a scenario into existence.
On the traction type issue, it definitely is simpler to have one traction type on a route - much better recovery from failures where the unit behind will more than likely be compatible, for example - however this doesn't seem to reflect what is happening on the other routes where 385s have been introduced, - there currently 4 different traction types on the Inverclyde and Cathcart routes (and possibly 3 once the 314s go) - so I doubt a desire to minimise different traction is motivating their reasons for not introducing them into Ayrshire.
We'll see what happens in December though, as if the 385s become more concentrated on certain routes as opposed to the spread we have now then perhaps ScotRail's thinking may have changed.
However, I doubt such a move would be appreciated by Control staff, as where severe disruption occurred, and it is more difficult to keep units on their allocated diagrams, the chances of a Ayr driver encountering a unit they cannot drive would go up. So I can maybe see why they would wish to avoid tempting such a scenario into existence.
On the traction type issue, it definitely is simpler to have one traction type on a route - much better recovery from failures where the unit behind will more than likely be compatible, for example - however this doesn't seem to reflect what is happening on the other routes where 385s have been introduced, - there currently 4 different traction types on the Inverclyde and Cathcart routes (and possibly 3 once the 314s go) - so I doubt a desire to minimise different traction is motivating their reasons for not introducing them into Ayrshire.
We'll see what happens in December though, as if the 385s become more concentrated on certain routes as opposed to the spread we have now then perhaps ScotRail's thinking may have changed.
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I don’t think having two different traction on the Ayrshire route is why it shouldn’t happen, I just don’t think Ayrshire needs any 385s at all? There are already about 7 or 8 routes which have been confirmed as 385 routes, most of which either need them or currently/previously have run with much older stock than Ayrshire. I don’t see any requirement for them to run Ayrshire.
Johnstone Bhoy
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The 380s are doing a great job on the Ayrshire. The Inverclyde really needs sorting as said above. There’s five different traction’s on the Inverclyde, 314, 318, 320, 380 and 385. Bit of a mess in my opinion. Ideally should be 380 or 385. The 380s and 385s aren’t really suited to the Cathcart.
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Before they were pulled off Inverclyde to cover Edinburgh-Glasgow, there were enough 380s to meet the needs of Inverclyde, Ayrshire and Paisley Canal (barring a few peak time oddities).
Makes most sense to go back to that, with 385s on the newly electrified routes they were bought for, keeping everything nice and neat surely? Use 318/320 on Cathcart Circle, Neilston and Newton.
But Abellio seem to love overly complicated plans, so expect all types to appear on all routes, and a shambles whenever there’s any disruption.
Makes most sense to go back to that, with 385s on the newly electrified routes they were bought for, keeping everything nice and neat surely? Use 318/320 on Cathcart Circle, Neilston and Newton.
But Abellio seem to love overly complicated plans, so expect all types to appear on all routes, and a shambles whenever there’s any disruption.
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A few months ago, there was some scuttlebutt that 385s could not do more than 2 trips around the Cathcart circle as the motors would overheat due to the frequent stopping pattern. Was this ever confirmed/disproven/mitigated?
hexagon789
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I haven't seen it proven either way conclusively.
NorthClyde320
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When I was doing some spotting/travelling in June & July the 19.15 & 19.52 Cathcart circle departures in both months were worked by a 385, in August the same departures were worked by a class 320, which had been on Gourocks in the afternoon. I wondered at the time if it was because of said issue. The 385 seemed to struggle with timekeeping I noted.
kidman123
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Has the 385 started 8 car running to Queen Street Edinburgh route.
I recently on a 385 from Edinburgh to Glasgow via Shotts my view I felt that the route was not suited for the 385.
I don't know if the 380 be more suited for that route though. And free up the 385 for the via Carstairs.
I recently on a 385 from Edinburgh to Glasgow via Shotts my view I felt that the route was not suited for the 385.
I don't know if the 380 be more suited for that route though. And free up the 385 for the via Carstairs.
The .00 departures in either direction are 8 coach.
hexagon789
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Why though? They are very similar.
380s do (or did) some Shotts diagrams. The via Carstairs are 380 because many interwork to/from Ayr.
snookertam
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No that's not likely until December.
hexagon789
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On the via Falkirk Highs, yes.
Thanks for the info
Thanks for the info
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