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Extinction Rebellion transport disruption from 17/04/2019

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How are we going to sort out the climate change thing. We would need to stop making petrol and diesel cars tomorrow and to electrify more parts of the country and power everything from water or wind. I seems not possible at the moment but we are doing something, like low energy light bulbs and led lighting of our streets.

It is only not possible in most peoples minds, but technically, Engineering wise & scientifically it is possible.

My house is heated by a combination of solar & biomass, my house is powered by solar as is my car. I emit no CO2 for energy use. When I draw from the grid it is when there is real CO2 free power. It is unbelievable how much cheaper this has been.

Try it!
 
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Hey guys, can I just point out that short term transport disruption is not more important that the survival of humanity, but I agree that it is inconvenient.
Extinction Rebellion themselves have apologised for the disruption, saying that it's the only way to get proper action to be taken before it's too late.

They also want to overthrow capitalism, so it’s a hard no from me and hope they all got rained on today.
 

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It is only not possible in most peoples minds, but technically, Engineering wise & scientifically it is possible.

My house is heater by a combination of solar & biomass, my house is powered by solar as is my car. I emit no CO2 for energy use. When I draw from the grid it is when there is real CO2 free power. It is unbelievable how much cheaper this has been.

Try it!
Was referring to the government doing things. I say I like your carbon neutral house. I am in a rented flat and we have electric central heating, which is expensive if not used properly. I Wish I had solar panels but landlords do not seem to care about that. Only when the rents a bit late.
 

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They also want to overthrow capitalism, so it’s a hard no from me and hope they all got rained on today.
Either you are one of the 1% or that have you fooled that the excesses of Capitalism we now have is good for you!

They do not want to scrap capitalism or go communist, they just want fairness which is something long lost. 50 years ago the 1% owned 69% of all wealth, now its 96%. See a problem with that if you are not in the 1%?

Today we have super rich driving luxury cars down pot holed roads, hiring their own security as police numbers have dropped so low.

How can this country be so 'rich' when we cannot fund schools, repair roads or look after our elderly. Ah yes, because they don't pay tax!

Its all about Greed & fairness, not Capitalism itself.
 

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I feel it could get worse after Brexit. The country could go bankrupt. They said on the news, that there would have to be more borrowing.
 

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Was referring to the government doing things. I say I like your carbon neutral house. I am in a rented flat and we have electric central heating, which is expensive if not used properly. I Wish I had solar panels but landlords do not seem to care about that. Only when the rents a bit late.

Its taken me 10 years but the cost has actually been less than if I hadn't changed.

The cheapest sources of energy are solar & wind, so why is electric more expensive than gas or heating oil? Makes you think!

Electric buses are so cheap to own now that the payback is in weeks, not years but we still buy diesel buses. You have to ask why!

The waiting list for an electric car (if you can even get on it) can be over a year for some makes. Why is that?

Why were nearly all renewable grants scrapped yet we are paying £500m per year to 'help' the North Sea oil industry transition. WTF!

I fully understand peoples resistance to change and worries, but if thew state offered help, support and balance it would be quick, easy and painless.
 

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Was referring to the government doing things. I say I like your carbon neutral house. I am in a rented flat and we have electric central heating, which is expensive if not used properly. I Wish I had solar panels but landlords do not seem to care about that. Only when the rents a bit late.

The government scrapped the law requiring landwards made their properties more energy efficient & installed solar!
 

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The government scrapped the law requiring landwards made their properties more energy efficient & installed solar!
Well, what a stupid thing to do. It is not helping. Although when my landlord did up these flats he chose the electric boilers instead of gas ones due to in his mind they could run on green tariffs. I have already changed mine and sse fitted me an economy 10 meter.
 

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The cheapest sources of energy are solar & wind, so why is electric more expensive than gas or heating oil? Makes you think!
Leaving aside the madness of the Thatcher-designed electricity "market".....

It's because cheap electricity produced a time of low demand is not actually worth anything.
Solar electricity has an extremely low value because its made in the middle of the day in June, which is not when peak demand occurs! And it can drop in and out on the scale of hours or even minutes as weather patterns change.

Wind and solar only appear cheap because they load the grid down with the externalities associated with keeping the grid up and running when they don't deign to produce any electricity.
It is quite possible for the addition of superficially "cheap" electricity like solar to drive the average price of electricity up because all they do is reduce baseload demand and increase peaking demand for other generation.

Baseload operators can't make any money selling power in the middle of summer days any more, so to cover the cost of their plant they have to charge more at other times which drives them out of hte market entirely in favour of less efficient flexible generators.
 

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Either you are one of the 1% or that have you fooled that the excesses of Capitalism we now have is good for you!

They do not want to scrap capitalism or go communist, they just want fairness which is something long lost. 50 years ago the 1% owned 69% of all wealth, now its 96%. See a problem with that if you are not in the 1%?

Today we have super rich driving luxury cars down pot holed roads, hiring their own security as police numbers have dropped so low.

How can this country be so 'rich' when we cannot fund schools, repair roads or look after our elderly. Ah yes, because they don't pay tax!

Its all about Greed & fairness, not Capitalism itself.

Populism is a drug, but I try not to smoke it too much.
 

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A petition can easily be ignored. An occupation of parts of one's capital city can't be.

The thing is - the occupation of the city is being ignored. For two reasons:

1) the timing is awful (and I know it’s an internationally coordinating thing) - Parliament is not sitting, and when it does come back it has some rather urgent business to deal with about the immediate term future of the country.

2) there’s not a week go by when there isn’t some form of protest blocking parts of Westminster. Whether it be this lot, the school kids ‘strike’, the taxi drivers, Brexit, Anti-Brexit, the Popular Peoples’ Front of Judea, whatever, there’s always something on. Add to this that Westminster Bridge and Bridge St have been effectively closed for the last 6 weeks for installation of permanent security barriers means that the effect of traffic has been much less noticeable than normal. For those who work in Westminster it’s really nothing different.

I say all this being a confirmed environmentalist, who strongly supports the principles of sustainability and reduction to a zero carbon economy. But I’m also a realist.
 

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Then these self righteous and hypocritical protesters are lucky they can cause civil disruption without the fear that their actions won't turn into a Tiananmen Square event. They are lucky that the UK police are light-handed compared to many across the world and they exploit that. The fact that the police are getting extra resources from other forces would appear to prove another side of the hypocritical nature of these protests in as much as these extra police have to travel from somewhere so presumably causing unnecessary travelling that would normally not be required. There will presumably be extra resources required in the courts to charge these idiots and hopefully give then a criminal record they deserve. Plus I wonder how they were powering their disco? Via their diesel generator?
 

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Then these self righteous and hypocritical protesters are lucky they can cause civil disruption without the fear that their actions won't turn into a Tiananmen Square event. They are lucky that the UK police are light-handed compared to many across the world and they exploit that. The fact that the police are getting extra resources from other forces would appear to prove another side of the hypocritical nature of these protests in as much as these extra police have to travel from somewhere so presumably causing unnecessary travelling that would normally not be required. There will presumably be extra resources required in the courts to charge these idiots and hopefully give then a criminal record they deserve. Plus I wonder how they were powering their disco? Via their diesel generator?

No worse than the "self righteous and hypocritical" people who think its OK to drive a vehicle with toxic emissions around children in cities that results in at least 44,000 deaths per year; to burn down rain forests for cheap beef burgers or consume & fly at the cost of all else!
 

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A lot of CND/Greenpeace types amongst them as well.

Which is why, despite being an actual climate researcher, I won't ever support them.
 

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Then these self righteous and hypocritical protesters are lucky they can cause civil disruption without the fear that their actions won't turn into a Tiananmen Square event. They are lucky that the UK police are light-handed compared to many across the world and they exploit that. The fact that the police are getting extra resources from other forces would appear to prove another side of the hypocritical nature of these protests in as much as these extra police have to travel from somewhere so presumably causing unnecessary travelling that would normally not be required. There will presumably be extra resources required in the courts to charge these idiots and hopefully give then a criminal record they deserve. Plus I wonder how they were powering their disco? Via their diesel generator?
Most posts that start with "you're lucky Tiananmen Square Round 2 didn't happen" don't end well. I hope this is bad satire, I really do.
 

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Today we have super rich driving luxury cars down pot holed roads, hiring their own security as police numbers have dropped so low.

How can this country be so 'rich' when we cannot fund schools, repair roads or look after our elderly. Ah yes, because they don't pay tax!
If you start taxing them, they'll just leave, so we still don't get tax money.
 

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Most posts that start with "you're lucky Tiananmen Square Round 2 didn't happen" don't end well. I hope this is bad satire, I really do.

As my post did not start like that, I am not sure what you are referring to. However a situation like that will not occur in the UK and the protesters know that which is why they know that they can get away with doing what they do - annoy the hell out of normal people
 

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As my post did not start like that, I am not sure what you are referring to.
I was specifically referring to this part:
can cause civil disruption without the fear that their actions won't turn into a Tiananmen Square event
I may well have misunderstood which parts of Tiananman Square you are referring to, or how you were referring to them, given your response.


However a situation like that will not occur in the UK and the protesters know that which is why they know that they can get away with doing what they do - annoy the hell out of normal people
I will refer you to this video, the upshot of which is "we don't want to piss you all off, but we see no other alternative".
 
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No I just do not want illness from diesel pollution or see the planet devastated by the greed of the privileged.

Your use of emotive language is typical of someone who considers no compromise or consideration. There is always better ways as I believe everyone is aware of, and that includes the disruptive and inconsiderate behaviour of those self righteous idiotic protesters. I wonder how much extra pollution their protests actually cause (including their diesel generator) and what the cost to the taxpayer is. Their cause is lost in all of this
 
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