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5x Class 153 conversion to bike and baggage vans for Scotrail

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Although I normally don't give a fig for one livery over another, would 6 not be the most appropriate but with green rather than red? surely cycling and green and readily identifiable together as environmentally friendly and green with the cycle overlay would be instantly recognisable to waiting passengers when the train arrives
Yes, other operators including Abellio Anglia are using green for bike carriages and this really should be standardised, along with red for PRM spaces (or blue like blue badges if the TOC has a red livery) and gold for first class.
 
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Yes, other operators including Abellio Anglia are using green for bike carriages and this really should be standardised, along with red for PRM spaces (or blue like blue badges if the TOC has a red livery) and gold for first class.
On British Rail liveries, it was yellow for 1st and red for catering.
 

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On British Rail liveries, it was yellow for 1st and red for catering.
I think that was a UIC standard, and I have been told that the Pendolinos dropped it by accident - and overlooked the chance to reintroduce it at the recent livery change!
 

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On British Rail liveries, it was yellow for 1st and red for catering.
Most definitely red for catering in Britain. Perfectly brought back by GA on INTERCITY Mk3 sets but for some reason not on the 745/0 fleet. Might have to get that rectified.
 

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Just had a thought. Why do you need to know where the buffet is from outside?

Red was also used for Non-corridor compartments on Southern EMU's and now disabled areas. You think they'd have picked another colour such as blue was suggested
 

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Just had a thought. Why do you need to know where the buffet is from outside?

I believe it was for staff so they could see where the catering was from a distance, rather like the SR DEMUs having a triangle on one end to mark where the guard's van was.
 

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I believe it was for staff so they could see where the catering was from a distance, rather like the SR DEMUs having a triangle on one end to mark where the guard's van was.
Everything on the railway is designed around staff & operational convenience :p
 

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Everything on the railway is designed around staff & operational convenience :p
which could be rephrased as "to give a better chance of an on-time departure" (rather than amateurishly leaving the the staff trying to spot the appropriate vehicle as the train ran past them, then having to fight their way through the crowds to do whatever they had to do.)
 

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Everything on the railway is designed around staff & operational convenience :p

Certainly marking the disabled spaces would be helpful for staff surely?

which could be rephrased as "to give a better chance of an on-time departure" (rather than amateurishly leaving the the staff trying to spot the appropriate vehicle as the train ran past them, then having to fight their way through the crowds to do whatever they had to do.)

Exactly, just as ScotRail could do with marking the bike spaces more clearly on some of their trains externally.
 

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Exactly, just as ScotRail could do with marking the bike spaces more clearly on some of their trains externally.
It does seem odd that they've managed to stick a massive bike sticker on their HSTs, but most of their other rolling stock doesn't have such signage.

Then again, it doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference. People still ignore the clearly marked bike areas and plough onto the train regardless.
 

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It does seem odd that they've managed to stick a massive bike sticker on their HSTs, but most of their other rolling stock doesn't have such signage.

Then again, it doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference. People still ignore the clearly marked bike areas and plough onto the train regardless.

Ditto prams, number of times you see people getting on 156s with prams or worse huge buggies at the bikes end and parking in everyone's way.

Nevertheless, clear signage on the 153s as indeed all the stock wouldn't go amiss.
 

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ScotRail could take a lesson from them! ;)
Truthfully, they could take the same lesson from Northern... the green / blue markings for bikes and wheelchairs are visible at the doorways on most units - even the Pacers.

Preston_-_Arriva_156443%2B156455_Choley_service.JPG

(Image of a Northern Class 156, unit 156 443, at Preston station, showing the blue markings over the doorway denoting Wheelchair access. Image courtesy of Wikipedia / Geof Sheppard)
 

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Truthfully, they could take the same lesson from Northern... the green / blue markings for bikes and wheelchairs are visible at the doorways on most units - even the Pacers.

Preston_-_Arriva_156443%2B156455_Choley_service.JPG

(Image of a Northern Class 156, unit 156 443, at Preston station, showing the blue markings over the doorway denoting Wheelchair access. Image courtesy of Wikipedia / Geof Sheppard)

Anything readily visible really, would help tourists on the WHL as much as the locals.
 

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"I'm going to get dinner as soon as I get on. Which carriage should I aim for to minimise stepping on everyone else?".
That's a good point, if you know your likely to use the buffet you might want to sit in/near it. (Not me! I go toward front then trapes through endless carriages!)
 

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But the ScotRail 385s do have a bicycle symbol at the appropriate doors.

More visible than some units, still not as clear as a giant bike on the Classic HST TGS or a coloured stripe.

With the 153s being the bike storage, it should be easy to slap a large bike symbol on at the appropriate end.
 

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Whats the latest on these conversions out of interest - be a while till they are ready i imagine?
 

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Whats the latest on these conversions out of interest - be a while till they are ready i imagine?

The 3 units are sitting out in the yard at Brodie Engineering in much the same state they've been in for several months now ie; lower outer skin removed to allow corrosion rectification work and thats about it. Doesn't seem to be a fast moving project.
 

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The 3 units are sitting out in the yard at Brodie Engineering in much the same state they've been in for several months now ie; lower outer skin removed to allow corrosion rectification work and thats about it. Doesn't seem to be a fast moving project.

I'm sure I recall reading (maybe on Charlie Hulme's blog relating to 153s in Wales) that corrosion is far worse than was thought. I could see it being abandoned if uneconomic.
 

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I'm sure I recall reading (maybe on Charlie Hulme's blog relating to 153s in Wales) that corrosion is far worse than was thought.

Seems to be a familiar refrain - that corrosion is far worse than was thought - is there any fleet where corrosion is being kept under control or is there a need to recognise that corrosion is generally something which will limit the lives of trains to a shorter timeframe than currently expected.
 

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On the subject of symbols on the outside, we recently went to Denmark and traveled on the Oresundtag trains. 3 car units where the centre car as a low platform level centre section which is designed to take bicycles, wheelchairs and pushchairs.

Big bicycle logos on the doors of this unit along with logos for wheelchair, pushchair and luggage above the window line - https://www.flickr.com/photos/64316400@N07/48877150481/in/datetaken-public/

And a photo on the interior open space - https://www.flickr.com/photos/64316400@N07/48877344007/in/datetaken-public/
 

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On the subject of symbols on the outside, we recently went to Denmark and traveled on the Oresundtag trains. 3 car units where the centre car as a low platform level centre section which is designed to take bicycles, wheelchairs and pushchairs.

Big bicycle logos on the doors of this unit along with logos for wheelchair, pushchair and luggage above the window line - https://www.flickr.com/photos/64316400@N07/48877150481/in/datetaken-public/

And a photo on the interior open space - https://www.flickr.com/photos/64316400@N07/48877344007/in/datetaken-public/
They are pretty dismal trains otherwise though. Not sure we should be looking at them as any kind of model for the future
 

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They are pretty dismal trains otherwise though. Not sure we should be looking at them as any kind of model for the future

Could you expand upon 'dismal' please.

We were there for 1 week and used the Oresundtag trains almost every day Helsingor<>Copenhagen and also the airport.
Comfy 2+2 seats although a few showing signs of fabric wear. Clean. Power point for phone/ipod/etc chargers. Good internal PIS. And platform level no step entry in the centre car for wheelchairs etc which is years ahead of the UK. Not so good point are the steps up to a normal carriage which is not easy with suitcases.
 

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Could you expand upon 'dismal' please.

We were there for 1 week and used the Oresundtag trains almost every day Helsingor<>Copenhagen and also the airport.
Comfy 2+2 seats although a few showing signs of fabric wear. Clean. Power point for phone/ipod/etc chargers. Good internal PIS. And platform level no step entry in the centre car for wheelchairs etc which is years ahead of the UK. Not so good point are the steps up to a normal carriage which is not easy with suitcases.
They struck me as like a down-market class 700, but with steps all over the place and worse seats. 40 minutes out to Malmö was the absolute limit I'd want to use them for. I remember thinking they were okay 15 years ago, but that was back when my normal trains were unrefurbished Pacers in the north. Modern trains across Europe put them to shame
 
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