TfW Class 170's

Brissle Girl · 9 Oct 2019

anamyd said:
Does anyone know what the problems with these 170s are, and what (if anything) is being / will be done to fix them...?

They’re probably putting some nice new Lino in.

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PaulHarding150 · 9 Oct 2019

Now now

anamyd · 10 Oct 2019

ah so they failed their exams because they had carpet...? :lol:

In all seriousness, is the claim that they failed their exams (all 3 of the delivered units?!) actually true and if so, what kind of structural / mechanical etc (not flooring material) fault did they fail on...?

tomuk · 10 Oct 2019

anamyd said:
ah so they failed their exams because they had carpet...? In all seriousness, is the claim that they failed their exams (all 3 of the delivered units?!) actually true and if so, what kind of structural / mechanical etc (not flooring material) fault did they fail on...?

No they failed the exams because a Maesteg to Gloucester journey is over a 5 minutes and therefore the doors are in the wrong place. Entry into service will be delayed while the doors are boarded over and new ones cut into the vehicles where they should be. :lol:

anamyd · 10 Oct 2019

tomuk said:
No they failed the exams because a Maesteg to Gloucester journey is over a 5 minutes and therefore the doors are in the wrong place. Entry into service will be delayed while the doors are boarded over and new ones cut into the vehicles where they should be.

oh my... still awaiting a serious reply

ValleyLines142 · 10 Oct 2019

One of the 170s was being tested today. Was on a run across the bridge at Ninian Park (by Jeff White car salesroom).

Nick Ashwell · 10 Oct 2019

tomuk said:
No they failed the exams because a Maesteg to Gloucester journey is over a 5 minutes and therefore the doors are in the wrong place. Entry into service will be delayed while the doors are boarded over and new ones cut into the vehicles where they should be.

Yet the same stations between Newport and Gloucester are the same as type of unit as Cross County? Sorry but they ain't cutting new doors into a 1/3 door unit is wrong and therefore your information is incorrect

PHILIPE · 10 Oct 2019

Nick Ashwell said:
Yet the same stations between Newport and Gloucester are the same as type of unit as Cross County? Sorry but they ain't cutting new doors into a 1/3 door unit is wrong and therefore your information is incorrect

You fell for that one

anamyd · 11 Oct 2019

DanTrainMan185 said:
One of the 170s was being tested today. Was on a run across the bridge at Ninian Park (by Jeff White car salesroom).

thanks for the info

clearly they haven't "all failed their exams" then...

Nick Ashwell · 11 Oct 2019

PHILIPE said:
You fell for that one

Now I reread it you're 100% correct

Jacob Didcote · 11 Oct 2019

Been given some more duff gen, been told the 170s were fitted with GSMR the other day, as far as im aware the GA 170s are fitted with GSMR, "The GA Class 170s have been fitted with GSMR today to run up to Merthyr Tydfil"

Brissle Girl · 11 Oct 2019

They also need some unit end gangways to be fitted before Rhydgaled will pass them for use on TfW services.

Eccles1983 · 11 Oct 2019

Jacob Didcote said:
Been given some more duff gen, been told the 170s were fitted with GSMR the other day, as far as im aware the GA 170s are fitted with GSMR, "The GA Class 170s have been fitted with GSMR today to run up to Merthyr Tydfil"

When transfering trains most companies rip out all except one gsmr set in the leading set.

Whilst you can get away with it once, you cannot expect it to enter in service in that state.

Jacob Didcote · 11 Oct 2019

Apparently the 170s are "operating to Merthyr Tydfil..." , "Its been planned..." and also "they won't be running the HOWL for a while due to the 175s occupying this route..."

PHILIPE · 11 Oct 2019

DanTrainMan185 said:
One of the 170s was being tested today. Was on a run across the bridge at Ninian Park (by Jeff White car salesroom).

Was it actually outside the "shed signal" ? Possibly just moving round the Depot

craigybagel · 11 Oct 2019

Jacob Didcote said:
Been given some more duff gen, been told the 170s were fitted with GSMR the other day, as far as im aware the GA 170s are fitted with GSMR, "The GA Class 170s have been fitted with GSMR today to run up to Merthyr Tydfil"

Jacob Didcote said:
Apparently the 170s are "operating to Merthyr Tydfil..." , "Its been planned..." and also "they won't be running the HOWL for a while due to the 175s occupying this route..."

I'd love to get some of whatever it is your source is on, it must make life more fun.....

Jacob Didcote · 11 Oct 2019

craigybagel said:
I'd love to get some of whatever it is your source is on, it must make life more fun.....

Can quote, not me giving gen to you. My mate has been talking to someone who is apparently some type of manager at Bombardier and hes been giving my mate "gen" about the 170's which i believe is duff gen. Like apparently there is some type of "signalling issue on the way up to Merthyr. The 170s are getting an update on the GSMR to help resolve this issue"

anamyd · 11 Oct 2019

Brissle Girl said:
They also need some unit end gangways to be fitted before Rhydgaled will pass them for use on TfW services.

I'm sure Derby works has 24 spare 375 ends knocking around :lol:

Rhydgaled · 11 Oct 2019

tomuk said:
No they failed the exams because a Maesteg to Gloucester journey is over a 5 minutes and therefore the doors are in the wrong place.

It's over five minutes yes but it's an all stations service and there are faster alternatives for most of the route (GWR between Newport and Bridgend and XC between Cardiff and Cheltenham) so no problem.

Brissle Girl said:
They also need some unit end gangways to be fitted before Rhydgaled will pass them for use on TfW services.

As with tomuk above, you are misrepresenting my views on rolling stock. Maesteg to Cheltenham/Gloucester doesn't include any portion working. Two of my three main 'rules' regarding non-gangwayed stock are that at least one door on each unit must be available for passenger use at each station and that the train must not divide in service. Both of these are to ensure that there is no 'wrong part of the train' for any passenger. The third rule is that there must be a staff presence in each unit to check tickets and quickly respond to call-for-aid activations. I would however oppose any new-build stock similar to 170s because I think there are plenty of those available for the likely need for non-gangwayed suburban DMUs.

So, on both counts, I have no problem with class 170s being used on TfW's Maesteg-Cheltenhams. I hope they can get them into service soon.

Brissle Girl · 11 Oct 2019

I’m sure tomuk’s post was as much tongue in cheek as mine was.

anamyd · 11 Oct 2019

Rhydgaled said:
I have no problem with class 170s being used on TfW's Maesteg-Cheltenhams. I hope they can get them into service soon.

I think the plan is for them to enter service at the December timetable change, by which point more of them will have been delivered than just 3, maybe even all 12

anamyd · 11 Oct 2019

Eccles1983 said:
When transfering trains most companies rip out all except one gsmr set in the leading set.

Whilst you can get away with it once, you cannot expect it to enter in service in that state.

That's interesting to know, thanks!

anamyd · 12 Oct 2019

Is anyone else thinking that the 3-car 170s, once they're all in service with TfW, should be cleared for the South Wales to Manchester services to operate 3-car trains to replace the all-too-common rammed 2-car 150/175 workings...? because it seems mad to have them on the planned Cheltenham to Maesteg services which are less than half the distance end-to-end!

krus_aragon · 12 Oct 2019

anamyd said:
Is anyone else thinking that the 3-car 170s, once they're all in service with TfW, should be cleared for the South Wales to Manchester services to operate 3-car trains to replace the all-too-common rammed 2-car 150/175 workings...? because it seems mad to have them on the planned Cheltenham to Maesteg services which are less than half the distance end-to-end!

I'm thinking no, because you'd have to train guards and drivers at all the depots that cover the Marches if you were to do that.

Adding the 170s to the South Wales fleet should give more slack in the overall fleet anyway.

Philip Roberts · 12 Oct 2019

anamyd said:
Is anyone else thinking that the 3-car 170s, once they're all in service with TfW, should be cleared for the South Wales to Manchester services to operate 3-car trains to replace the all-too-common rammed 2-car 150/175 workings...? because it seems mad to have them on the planned Cheltenham to Maesteg services which are less than half the distance end-to-end!

I'm expecting these on the Ebbw line which, as an hourly service, should have three cars as a minimum.

anamyd · 12 Oct 2019

krus_aragon said:
Adding the 170s to the South Wales fleet should give more slack in the overall fleet anyway.

True...

anamyd · 12 Oct 2019

Philip Roberts said:
I'm expecting these on the Ebbw line which, as an hourly service, should have three cars as a minimum.

Fair point

anamyd · 20 Oct 2019

170208 is next to transfer, right...? Does anyone know when this will happen and also how all the extra units are going to fit at what's apparently a "pretty full" Cardiff Canton depot...?

TheEdge · 21 Oct 2019

anamyd said:
170208 is next to transfer, right...?

I think its 206 actually. That was the one deposited in the sidings at Norwich a few days ago for its "deep clean".

anamyd · 21 Oct 2019

TheEdge said:
I think its 206 actually. That was the one deposited in the sidings at Norwich a few days ago for its "deep clean".

Ah, thanks for that

So the deliveries might continue soon!

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