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Poll: Potential General Election: who are you voting for?

Potential October GE: Who will you vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 84 19.1%
  • Labour

    Votes: 129 29.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 29 6.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 0.9%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 130 29.6%
  • TIG

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • UUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party (or any local Green affiliate)

    Votes: 14 3.2%
  • Other independent or minor party (please state!)

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Spoiled ballot

    Votes: 7 1.6%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 13 3.0%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 24 5.5%

  • Total voters
    439
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edwin_m

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I guess the incoming government could give him a peerage so he could continue to be a minister. As he's quite capable of riding roughshod over these unwritten conventions he would probably think he could remain PM in that situation.
 
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No, like I said, any member of the uk government has to be a member of one of those chambers of parliament & so that includes the head of government.

That isn’t quite correct. By convention yes, but your emphasis is misplaced. Ministers do not *have* to sit in either house and may not be Parliamentarians at all. By convention those ministers who come from outside Parliament may be granted a peerage, but again there is no rule to this, and there is at least one exception I can think of.
 

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He is. Standing in Vauxhall, Kate Hooey’s seat (she’s standing down). Not sure if he is actually selected as PPC yet though.

He's announced he's putting his name forward, but the selection hasn't happened yet - and there will be other contenders.
 

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You mean there was a “minister of the crown” who wasn’t a member of either chamber?

Jan Smuts, who effectively founded the RAF, served as a minister without ever having entitlement to sit in either chamber. I am sure some junior ministers in the past have been similarly appointed. Ministers are formally appointed by the monarch under advice.
 

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I think it’s pretty terrifying what will happen if Boris Johnson does get a majority at the next election. He is already pitching himself as the man to represent “the people” against parliament. He has already tried to misuse prorogation of Parliament. With Cummings and Rees-Mog as Johnson’s sidekicks be afraid, be very afraid. Simple things like the right to peacefully protest may become a thing of the past. All in the name of “the greater good”. He has already portrayed Parliament as “the enemy of the people”. Parliament is the people lest Brexiteers forget.
 

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I think you may have misunderstood the word "commons", this refers to the lower house of Parliament - The House of Commons" - where MPs sit.

No, I'm well aware that the commons is the elected house of the parliament.

That isn’t quite correct. By convention yes, but your emphasis is misplaced. Ministers do not *have* to sit in either house and may not be Parliamentarians at all. By convention those ministers who come from outside Parliament may be granted a peerage, but again there is no rule to this, and there is at least one exception I can think of.

Thank you! That answers my question.
 

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Ive decided to switch from Liberal Democrats to Labour. The Lib Dems more closely follow my opinions on most things, although its a shame that unlike Labour they arent pledging re-nationalisation of the railway. But they are nowhere in my constituency. The only party in my constituency with a cat in hells chance of ousting the Tory is Labour. So that's probably where my vote is going. And that is despite of Corbyn, not because of. I do hope he falls on his sword soon and Labour get a more moderate leader. Although I hope whoever it is, (s)he retains the pledge to re-nationalise the railway.
 
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So, not much in the way of the actual reality of the 2017 General Election result that time.

No, I think there was a large Lib Dem lead in the 2015 UK GE forum poll. Again, rather different to the actual result and a trend being displayed in the current poll.
 

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And that is despite of Corbyn, not because of. I do hope he falls on his sword soon and Labour get a more moderate leader. Although I hope whoever it is, (s)he retains the pledge to rationalise the railway.

Are you sure you don't mean renationalise the railway?

Or perhaps rationalise the railway is more appropriate, as Corbyn's plans to increase government borrowing will mean that a future chief secretary to the treasury will have to write another "...there is no money left..." note.
 

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Ive decided to switch from Liberal Democrats to Labour. The Lib Dems more closely follow my opinions on most things, although its a shame that unlike Labour they arent pledging rationalisation of the railway. But they are nowhere in my constituency. The only party in my constituency with a cat in hells chance of ousting the Tory is Labour. So that's probably where my vote is going. And that is despite of Corbyn, not because of. I do hope he falls on his sword soon and Labour get a more moderate leader. Although I hope whoever it is, (s)he retains the pledge to rationalise the railway.

When Corbyn goes, do you think Momument will allow a more moderate leader to take over? If anything it will probably be someone more extreme.

As for his promises, he will set up a committee to look into it and that will be all.
 

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If Corbyn ever stands down, I have money on Sir Kier Starmer getting the top job. He's passionate about his country and a brilliant orator.
 

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If Corbyn ever stands down, I have money on Sir Kier Starmer getting the top job. He's passionate about his country and a brilliant orator.
He was interviewed on Channel 4 news last night, and when asked if he was going to stand for deputy leader he gave a fairly swift "no". When asked about standing as leader, however, his answer wasn't quite so straightforward.
 

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So, not much in the way of the actual reality of the 2017 General Election result that time.

No, I think there was a large Lib Dem lead in the 2015 UK GE forum poll. Again, rather different to the actual result and a trend being displayed in the current poll.
There's a reason why real polls have to use a respondent pool that is (a) sufficiently large (1,000+ people); and (b) randomised rather than self-selected, in order to be taken seriously.
 

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There's a reason why real polls have to use a respondent pool that is (a) sufficiently large (1,000+ people); and (b) randomised rather than self-selected, in order to be taken seriously.

Well of course, this forum represents only a small sub-section of the population and is by no means representative, but it's still an interesting if inaccurate comparison
 

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If Corbyn ever stands down, I have money on Sir Kier Starmer getting the top job. He's passionate about his country and a brilliant orator.
Given that it's the Labour Party membership that will make this decision, I seriously doubt whether that will happen. So many Labour 'moderates' and Remainers have resigned from the party (or not renewed their membership) since 2017 including two members of my family: conversely, there have been joiners from what might be called the Hard Left. It's Labour, the votes of the MPs count for nothing once the minimum threshold for nomination has been fulfilled.
 

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So many Labour 'moderates' and Remainers have resigned from the party (or not renewed their membership) since 2017 including two members of my family: conversely, there have been joiners from what might be called the Hard Left.
Given that the same has been said about the hard right taking over the Conservatives I wonder if this means that the Lib Dems might see improved results in this (and future) elections?
 

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Given that the same has been said about the hard right taking over the Conservatives I wonder if this means that the Lib Dems might see improved results in this (and future) elections?
There is an opportunity for the LibDems although they are hampered by their track record in the coalition and the Catch 22 of our voting system where if a party is seen as unlikely to gain power than that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Even the tactical voting websites are now disagreeing with each other - perhaps there ought to be another website to say which one to use?
 

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I’ll be spoiling my ballot.

I cannot vote for Labour, whose current leadership and ethos I despise.

I also never vote Tory out of principle.

The Liberal Democrats are no longer liberal or democratic and also place pretty much nowhere in my constituency.
 

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I did mean re-nationalise. Thats predictive text for you. What worries me is that even if Corbyn does go, the party membership will probably just vote in another hard left leader and condemn us to more several more years of Tory rule.
Oh for a strong Scandinavian style Social Democratic party in the UK.
 

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I did mean re-nationalise. Thats predictive text for you. What worries me is that even if Corbyn does go, the party membership will probably just vote in another hard left leader and condemn us to more several more years of Tory rule.
Oh for a strong Scandinavian style Social Democratic party in the UK.
We had one, then a number of Labour MPs thought it would only be "fair" to put one "J. Corbyn" on a ballot paper. The rest as they say is history.
 

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On the other hand the membership favoured Corbyn or someone similarly left-wing and it wouldn't be viable for MPs to keep the lid on that forever. As far as I'm concerned the fundamental problem is our voting system which effectively means that only one left-wing and one right-wing party can be successful. Other countries have separate parties for soft left and hard left, who may go into coalition to get a majority, but the relative vote share of these parties gives a good idea of what the wider electorate actually wants.
 

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Oh for a strong Scandinavian style Social Democratic party in the UK.

The SDLP, SNP and Plaid Cymru are all fine examples of that. The SNP in particular look like being in power for a long, long time, as they've successfully bridged social democratic policies with pro business ones.
 

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If Corbyn ever stands down, I have money on Sir Kier Starmer getting the top job. He's passionate about his country and a brilliant orator.

I have not taken Labour seriously since John Smith was leader. With all that has passed after, including making the wrong Milliband brother the leader, Kier Starmer just seems like a David Cameron type in Labour form
 
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