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LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

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Call me soft but I hope that 91110 and 91119 aren’t going to be scrapped. The swallow intercity livery looks most impressive on the already handsome 91’s and then there’s the historical significance of the record breaking 91110.
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There isn't that much historical value to 119 (other than being burned to a crisp) and regardless, you can always just re-livery 131 or any other preserved unit into swallow livery. I'd rather see a preserved 91 being re-liveried into East Coast livery, but that's just my taste...
 
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As 91116 was supposedly finally put back in full working order at Bounds Green, then weighed at Wabtec Doncaster and returned to Bounds Green last Friday under its own power....... does anyone know why it still hasn't been put into revenue earning service on the ECML please?
 
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Entertexthere said:
There isn't that much historical value to 119 (other than being burned to a crisp) and regardless, you can always just re-livery 131 or any other preserved unit into swallow livery.
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I agree, I'd rather a proper repaint of 91131 into Swallow livery than keeping 91119 instead just because it happens to be wrapped in vinyls.

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110 is apparently due to be preserved.
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Is it? By who?
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It wasn't earmarked for preservation until recently (91111 and 91131 were); the railway heritage designations for 2019 have not yet been published but 91110 is expected to be added (hopefully in addition to the other two 91s and not instead of but we'll have to wait and see). As for who will preseve it/them, I'm not sure if anyone knows yet.
 
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I would be very surprised if 91131 doesn't end up in (painted!) Swallow livery when it joins the national collection. They're not gonna stick it in the grand hall of the NRM with peeling, faded red Virgin livery!

I could see AC loco group being interested in one, they have one of every other AC electric. Other than that, what would be the point of preserving any others? A 140mph electric loco is about as much use as a chocolate coal shovel on a preserved railway.

Other than 008 which looks to have a bleak future after having its nose cut off, with 20 locos being lined up for export and at least one due to be preserved, at least we should be spared from any mass scrapping of 91's any time soon. Given how things looked just a few weeks ago, I will take that!
 
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Why would it change?
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Settings on the bogies, lighter replacement parts, a mix of new and used parts on the bogies etc.

If one axle is carrying more weight than the others then it will wear faster etc.

It could be that an older, heavier part has been replaced by a lighter equivalent so the loco might need ballast added to compensate. Loads of reasons.
 
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I would be very surprised if 91131 doesn't end up in (painted!) Swallow livery when it joins the national collection. They're not gonna stick it in the grand hall of the NRM with peeling, faded red Virgin livery!.
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The Fleet Air Arm museum now "conservatives" aircraft rather than preserving them. There was a bit on the telly about a Harrier. They found a coating that would keep it in used, worn condition (dead flies, chipped paint and oil stains).

The theory is that the item will look the same in 50 years as it did when its last turn. Flies and all!

A traffic worn loco would make a nice change from all the immaculate exibits.
 
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dubscottie said:
Settings on the bogies, lighter replacement parts, a mix of new and used parts on the bogies etc.

If one axle is carrying more weight than the others then it will wear faster etc.

It could be that an older, heavier part has been replaced by a lighter equivalent so the loco might need ballast added to compensate. Loads of reasons.
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hexagon789 said:
I think I was thinking of exactly what Dubscottie has alluded to above - component changes
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Cheers peeps :smile:
 
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Was weighed due to having had a wheelsets changed.

Has a few outstanding repairs to complete, then should be back in traffic.
 
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Where has 91117 and 20 gone to ?? Seen videos of them in europhoneix colours but no mention as to where they’re going, and does anyone know what the next one is to be withdrawn from service ?? Any news on HST’s yet our are them going to be with us for a wee bit while yet
 
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Leicester at the moment, Bulgaria eventually.

Next 91s due for withdrawal in January.

The HST fleet on LNER is all planned to be gone before the end of the year.
 
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Leicester at the moment, Bulgaria eventually.

Next 91s due for withdrawal in January.

The HST fleet on LNER is all planned to be gone before the end of the year.
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Weren't they planning to keep the HSTs going for the Kings Cross throat works or was that before it got delayed by year?
 
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There were various options explored - but it’s ended up with them all leaving LNER this year.
 
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Does anyone know the status/whereabouts of 91131 please. Seems to have been off the ECML for several weeks now. Don't think it's in Doncaster Wabtec so presumably it's at Bounds Green being robbed of parts to keep others going?
 
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ash39 said:
I would be very surprised if 91131 doesn't end up in (painted!) Swallow livery when it joins the national collection. They're not gonna stick it in the grand hall of the NRM with peeling, faded red Virgin livery!

I could see AC loco group being interested in one, they have one of every other AC electric. Other than that, what would be the point of preserving any others? A 140mph electric loco is about as much use as a chocolate coal shovel on a preserved railway.
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If the AC loco group are indeed interested, then I'd be inclined to suggest that they be given 91 131 with the NRM taking 91 110 complete with Battle Of Britain Memorial Flight livery. Would be quite appropriate to have the speed record holders Mallard and 91 110 together at the NRM, they'd just need the record-holding class 43s and then they'd have the world's fastest steam and diesel locos together plus Britain's fastest electric. Someone would need to preserve a load of mark 4s for the AC loco group to use a 91 without it looking silly though (I know 91s have hauled mark 1s and/or mark 2s, but it looked completely wrong)

I hope there is something that can be done with 91131 once preserved to sort out the extra grill on the left hand side that messes up the Swallow livery on 91119 and to make the headlight grill stay black and not get chipped back to the grey/silver as it has on both 91 111 and 91 119. 91 119 has lost the Swallow on the grill too.

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Next 91s due for withdrawal in January.

The HST fleet on LNER is all planned to be gone before the end of the year.
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How many IC225 diagrams are there likely to be left in the early part of next year, and how much longer before the entire ECML is Azumafied? I'd like to get at least one more run in behind a 91 north of York before they're withdrawn and don't have enough of my 2019 holiday entitlement left to do it this year.
 
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A fair few left Early next year, as November & December mainly concentrates on HST replacement.
 
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How many IC225 diagrams are there likely to be left in the early part of next year, and how much longer before the entire ECML is Azumafied? I'd like to get at least one more run in behind a 91 north of York before they're withdrawn and don't have enough of my 2019 holiday entitlement left to do it this year.
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The plan seems to be constantly changing, but as it stands no more 91's will be withdrawn until 2020, with the focus now on withdrawing the HST fleet. The thirteen 9-car bi-mode 800/1's will take over the HST's on the Inverness and Aberdeen services by the end of the year, and then the 91's will start to thin out as the remaining all-electric Azumas enter service.

In short, you should be fine for a good while yet.
 
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Rhydgaled said:
Would be quite appropriate to have the speed record holders Mallard and 91 110 together at the NRM, they'd just need the record-holding class 43s and then they'd have the world's fastest steam and diesel locos together plus Britain's fastest electric.
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Britain’s fastest electric went for scrap earlier in the year.
 
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