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Possible HS2 Campaigning Group

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DynamicSpirit

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Would anyone be interested in setting up a group to campaign publicly for HS2?

It seems to me that there are a lot of well informed people on railforums, who have spent a lot of time putting forward good, rational, arguments for HS2 - particularly in this 'Why are people opposed to HS2?' thread. But having followed that thread for some time, I'd say many of us are basically wasting our time there, debating with other people who (mostly) already understand the arguments behind HS2. And while we're doing that, all the ill-informed anti-HS2 groups are active online much more publicly, on Twitter, in the media, etc. - spreading what many of us on railforums would recognise as misinformation.

To make it worse... we now have all the leadership machinations in the Tory Party, in which it looks like several Tory leadership contenders might try to axe HS2 in order to make themselves more popular inside the Tory Party. And the Brexit party is looming large... Nigel Farage has never as far as I can see been a fan of either HS2 or of factual accuracy.

I'm therefore thinking a more productive use of some of time would be to campaign away from railforums UK (hard concept I know ;) ) for HS2 (and perhaps for sensible rail improvements generally) on the basis of communicating accurate information about what HS2 is likely to achieve. Ideally, I'm thinking of a campaigning group that would have its own website, and which could respond quickly online to the various bits of idiocy that hit the media (such as the recent Taxpayers Alliance proposal to divert funds from HS2). And perhaps even starting to do things like leaflet commuters on rail lines that stand to benefit from HS2. Although those are only rough ideas - I'm open to other ideas.

Anyone interested? If so, I'd say, either discuss here, or (better) PM me.
 
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A good starting point (and yet to be opposed by stophs2 or those who wish to stop HS2) is this series of tweets as to why there's a need & what some of the "alternatives" are and why they aren't viable
https://twitter.com/WickendenGraham/status/1136849542723149824?s=09

Thanks, it's good to see instances like this of people defending HS2 in an informed way. Sadly, that Twitter account has just 30 followers (and is obviously a general purpose personal account, not an account about HS2), so probably isn't spreading the HS2 message very far though :(
 

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I certainly wouldn't mind getting involved if someone were to set on up. I always try to convince anyone I talk to but a dozen people aren't really going to make a difference.
 

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I certainly wouldn't mind getting involved if someone were to set on up. I always try to convince anyone I talk to but a dozen people aren't really going to make a difference.

Less worked for StopHS2, and the only remaining member rent-a-quote Joe Rukin still manages to make his lies & exaggerations heard on the news every so often :)
 

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I certainly wouldn't mind getting involved if someone were to set on up. I always try to convince anyone I talk to but a dozen people aren't really going to make a difference.

Thanks! The group did set up, but hasn't got beyond the private online discussion stage. And now with everything in the hands of the Government review for now, it's less clear to me what a campaigning group would do. But I'll PM you details to get you added to the group
 

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I suggest Greengauge already agitate in favour of Britain's HSR programme.

I notice they have a report out called Beyond HS2 which provides a broader vision of the future of national HSR beyond the one project of HS2 which by definition cannot be everything to everyone.
 
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I agree that there needs to be more to promote HS2. I tried to start a petition on the parliament website to ask MPs to bring forward legislation to give it the final go ahead before this governments review but unfortunately it was rejected. I'd be happy to support any group that promotes HS2.
 

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Nigel Harris, Paul Bigland, Tony Miles are all Pro HS2, may be worth getting them involved and HS2Ltd are finally making public and positive tweets about the need and the purpose of HS2 so if you are on twitter get liking and sharing
 

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I think that HS2 will be built regardless of what the average man / woman in the street thinks of it. In my experience most British people have little or no interest in railways unless they use the network on a regular basis. And in all fairness huge numbers of people don't use it from one year to the next.
 

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As a matter of course I am often posting pro-rail and pro-HS rail comments on other forums, ie forums not about rail. For example when someone complains about road traffic jams I might pitch in that it would not be so bad if more freight were moved to rail. Anti-rail people tend to be uninformed about rail, and many seem to get their impression of rail transport from travelling on preserved steam-operated lines, possibly the only time they have ever been on a train in their life.
 

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I think that HS2 will be built regardless of what the average man / woman in the street thinks of it.

There are some pretty obvious threats to it - for example if the Brexit Party were part of a coalition with the Conservative Party after a general election it is pretty clear one of the conditions would be to halt construction of HS2, given it is the number 2 policy of that party.
 

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There are some pretty obvious threats to it - for example if the Brexit Party were part of a coalition with the Conservative Party after a general election it is pretty clear one of the conditions would be to halt construction of HS2, given it is the number 2 policy of that party.
That would just delay it.
 

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There are some pretty obvious threats to it - for example if the Brexit Party were part of a coalition with the Conservative Party after a general election it is pretty clear one of the conditions would be to halt construction of HS2, given it is the number 2 policy of that party.
In all fairness the signs are that Boris Johnson will win an outright majority at the next election.
 

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That would just delay it.

Indeed, rail growth is such that it's unlikely that it could remain cancelled for very long before it became embarrassing that we hadn't built it.

Although Corbyn sitting on the floor was found to be not required, it's unlikely that it's going to be long before that may not be the case. The political fall out from having a spade ready (or at least a programme to implement it) scheme and cancelling it which had lead to the head of a major party not having a seat could be just a tad embarrassing to the party who cancelled HS2.
 

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Indeed, rail growth is such that it's unlikely that it could remain cancelled for very long before it became embarrassing that we hadn't built it.

While it's undoubtedly true that not building it would be a huge mistake in terms of the railways, I'm not sure that logic follows politically. Even if trains became massively overcrowded by 2026-28, when HS2 would have been coming onstream, a very large number of people would still be arguing that we just need to make improvements to the existing railway rather than building a new line. And besides, by then it won't be the same people in power, so even if there is anger that HS2 wasn't built, all whoever is in power in 5-10 year's time needs to say is, "Sorry, wasn't my fault. It was that Johnson Government in 2019 that caused it".
 

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While it's undoubtedly true that not building it would be a huge mistake in terms of the railways, I'm not sure that logic follows politically. Even if trains became massively overcrowded by 2026-28, when HS2 would have been coming onstream, a very large number of people would still be arguing that we just need to make improvements to the existing railway rather than building a new line. And besides, by then it won't be the same people in power, so even if there is anger that HS2 wasn't built, all whoever is in power in 5-10 year's time needs to say is, "Sorry, wasn't my fault. It was that Johnson Government in 2019 that caused it".
And demand for short haul domestic air services would not be diminished by cleaner commercially competetive ground transportation alternatives, so a few more decades of profits can be wrung out by the airlines and oil companies, the vested interests that fund the 'think tanks' (read corporate lobbyist) that constantly criticise the project.
 
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