Class 345 progress

mic505 · 27 Sep 2019

OK. Now I fully understand, comprehensively.

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reddragon · 27 Sep 2019

Today 345042 / 039 on H&H as 7 car and 040 sitting outside OOC as a 7 car

Roger B · 27 Sep 2019

Thanks for the updates re 7-car status, 700007, 33021 and Ex31Rigger - much appreciated.

Peter Mugridge · 28 Sep 2019

Two reduced units on the Hayes shuttles today.

345 042 on the xx.17s off Paddington.

345 044 on the XX.47s off Paddington.

Kite159 · 29 Sep 2019

Two full length units on the Hayes shuttles today

345030 on the XX:27 from Paddington
345037 on the XX:57 from Paddington

simple simon · 1 Oct 2019

re: the increase in number of 7 car units, its because even more 315s are being withdrawn from the Shenfield service

Alfie1014 · 1 Oct 2019

345039 just passed through Stratford (21:20) hauled by 37800 heading to Ilford

matt_world2004 · 1 Oct 2019

Platform 4 at Hayes has gone to a max temporary length of 8 cars due to rebuild works. Maybe thats why 7 cars are being tested to reading

kevin_roche · 2 Oct 2019

hwl said:
As covered numerous times (I.e. was resolved a long time ago hence doesn't come up in discussions) there isn't the platform capacity at Paddington to add the T5 and other some other services above the current service level till through running to the core happens.

Yes you are right. So long ago, that I forgot that was an issue.

iphone76 · 12 Oct 2019

I'm not out and about today, but according to my morning email, this Saturday should be the first on the East which is 100% 345 operated.

samuelmorris · 12 Oct 2019

Out on the line today, I haven't seen any 315s yet and indeed just had 029 go past on the other side. First time I think I've seen that unit in the flesh.

robert west · 13 Oct 2019

samuelmorris said:
Out on the line today, I haven't seen any 315s yet and indeed just had 029 go past on the other side. First time I think I've seen that unit in the flesh.

345029 and 345003 both at Shenfield Friday night in service

JonathanH · 13 Oct 2019

robert west said:
345029 and 345003 both at Shenfield Friday night in service

345003 was built as a 7 car and has been in operation on the east side for some time. 345029 is a more recent conversion from a 9 car to a 7 car which was first in operation on the west side for a few weeks and was then transferred to Ilford. 345039, 345042 and 345044 are the other 7 car conversions which have gone across to the east side most recently. 345047 and 345049 are in operation on the west side as relatively recent conversions.

Yesterday 345012 and 345049 were the two west side units.

robert west · 13 Oct 2019

JonathanH said:
345003 was built as a 7 car and has been in operation on the east side for some time. 345029 is a more recent conversion from a 9 car to a 7 car which was first in operation on the west side for a few weeks and was then transferred to Ilford. 345039, 345042 and 345044 are the other 7 car conversions which have gone across to the east side most recently. 345047 and 345049 are in operation on the west side as relatively recent conversions.

Yesterday 345012 and 345049 were the two west side units.

thanks for the update.
am going to London tomorrow so will keep an eye out for them

reddragon · 15 Oct 2019

Peter Mugridge said:
Two reduced units on the Hayes shuttles today.

345 042 on the xx.17s off Paddington.

345 044 on the XX.47s off Paddington.

Had 042 out of Liverpool St today, things are clearly fluid

Peter Mugridge · 15 Oct 2019

reddragon said:
Had 042 out of Liverpool St today, things are clearly fluid

Most of the reduced units were moved over about a week ago.

rebmcr · 16 Oct 2019

Peter Mugridge said:
Most of the reduced units were moved over about a week ago.

Did they use the COS?

matt_world2004 · 16 Oct 2019

rebmcr said:
Did they use the COS?

No the northern London Overground line.

rebmcr · 16 Oct 2019

matt_world2004 said:
No the northern London Overground line.

Thanks.

kevin_roche · 16 Oct 2019

matt_world2004 said:
No the northern London Overground line.

I don't think the software that is being used on the 7 car units does will support the CBTC signalling used in the COS. It will only handle TPWS.

Kevin

Roast Veg · 17 Oct 2019

345 061 left Worksop, headed for Old Dalby today as a 9 car set

Snow1964 · 17 Oct 2019

There is a strong hint in the TfL Board Programmes and Investment Committee papers for next week (section 14.4 on page 19) that Paddington-Reading services from December will initially be 7 car trains (not full length 9 car)

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20191023-agenda-and-papers-public.pdf

rebmcr · 18 Oct 2019

Snow1964 said:
There is a strong hint in the TfL Board Programmes and Investment Committee papers for next week (section 14.4 on page 19) that Paddington-Reading services from December will initially be 7 car trains (not full length 9 car)

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20191023-agenda-and-papers-public.pdf

It's section 4.2, and you're meant to quote such sources for accessibility and for future reference in case the link goes dead.

TfL paper said:
4.2
TfL and MTR Crossrail are on course to start operating the stopping services from
Paddington mainline station to Reading in December this year under the TfL Rail
brand (referred to by the project as Stage 5A). MTR Crossrail already staff 11 of
the 15 stations between Paddington and Reading, after taking over the running of
these from Great Western Railway in December 2017. The full plan is to use the
full-length (nine-car) trains but it is unlikely that the software updates necessary
will be tested and available in time for the introduction of service. It is likely that
the service will start with the seven car units currently used between Liverpool
Street and Shenfield and the full-length units will be swapped in when available.

JonathanH · 18 Oct 2019

I trust that this bit isn't to be taken literally.

It is likely that the service will start with the seven car units currently used between Liverpool Street and Shenfield

samuelmorris · 18 Oct 2019

Indeed, it explains the sudden increase in number of 7-car units much higher up the number range.

reddragon · 18 Oct 2019

JonathanH said:
I trust that this bit isn't to be taken literally.

Unless the new units go east and the old move west

Bigbru · 19 Oct 2019

JonathanH said:
345003 was built as a 7 car and has been in operation on the east side for some time. 345029 is a more recent conversion from a 9 car to a 7 car which was first in operation on the west side for a few weeks and was then transferred to Ilford. 345039, 345042 and 345044 are the other 7 car conversions which have gone across to the east side most recently. 345047 and 345049 are in operation on the west side as relatively recent conversions.

Yesterday 345012 and 345049 were the two west side units.

Don't forget they swap a FLU in after the peak

kevin_roche · 19 Oct 2019

Snow1964 said:
There is a strong hint in the TfL Board Programmes and Investment Committee papers for next week (section 14.4 on page 19) that Paddington-Reading services from December will initially be 7 car trains (not full length 9 car)

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20191023-agenda-and-papers-public.pdf

A number of new (to us at least) Jacobs Project representaive reports have been released ahead of the meeting. I am still in the process of reading through them but in the report for period 3 dated 22 July they say:

BT must convert its ECS approval to one of passenger service. This is not a simple process, as MTR-C is likely to want to see further increases in reliability for such an increase in service, and the RSSB derogation expires in December 2019. In case that is not achievable, CRL and MTR-C are developing a plan to convert 13 FLUs into RLUs and use the same proven software that is currently being used on the GE. The decision to convert will need to be made by the end of July.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/project-representative-periodic-report-period-3-2019.pdf See the bottom of page 11 and top of page 12

Edit: ... and on page 11 of the period 4 report

RfL has implemented the FLU to RLU conversion programme

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/project-representative-periodic-report-period-4-2019.pdf

Further Edit:

On page 10 of the period 5 report:

Stage 5A services are likely to start with RLUs, before being swapped out with FLUs. This is due to further slippage in delivery of the Y0.100 software configuration.

and

The Z0.100 software upgrade that is necessary to allow FLUs to operate Stage 5A services has slipped by 2 weeks to the endof November 2019. This latest delay means that the Stage 5A service on 15 December 2019 will likely consist of RLUs using R 4.2 software. The process of delivering the necessary RLUs is reported to be going well.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/project-representative-periodic-report-period-5-2019.pdf

hwl · 19 Oct 2019

kevin_roche said:
A number of new (to us at least) Jacobs Project representative reports have been released ahead of the meeting. I am still in the process of reading through them but in the report for period 3 dated 22 July they say:

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/project-representative-periodic-report-period-3-2019.pdf See the bottom of page 11 and top of page 12

They weren't there on Thursday when I checked!

kevin_roche · 19 Oct 2019

hwl said:
They weren't there on Thursday when I checked!

I only saw them myself today.

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