Help needed failed sycometric tests

Tezza32 · 12 Oct 2019

Good evening everyone I need some advice has I don't know where I stand on things I recently took my assessment 19th september for a trainnee train drivers exam for WMT anyways I had a email back from the company saying I had failed every single test to there standard so I called opc 3 weeks ago and all I was told I passed group bourdon and glop to standard so where does this leave me any advice would be appreciated if your going to be negative then please don't comment

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baz962 · 12 Oct 2019

Tezza32 said:
Good evening everyone I need some advice has I don't know where I stand on things I recently took my assessment 19th september for a trainnee train drivers exam for WMT anyways I had a email back from the company saying I had failed every single test to there standard so I called opc 3 weeks ago and all I was told I passed group bourdon and glop to standard so where does this leave me any advice would be appreciated if your going to be negative then please don't comment

What about the other tests

Tezza32 · 12 Oct 2019

Tea-Occ Fail
TRP1 Fail
TRP2 Fail
DFFT Fail

Baz this is what they sent me from WMT they said I didn't get advance on any of them

Stigy · 12 Oct 2019

Tezza32 said:
Tea-Occ Fail
TRP1 Fail
TRP2 Fail
DFFT Fail

Baz this is what they sent me from WMT they said I didn't get advance on any of them

You will need to retake them all if the TOC you apply for next is WMT or requires the enhanced pass marks. If it’s a different TOC and one who doesn’t, you’ll be able to bypass those you passed to the national standard as long as they’re still ‘in date’ so to speak. You’ll have to wait the 6-months before retaking any regardless.

Tezza32 · 12 Oct 2019

Yeah stigy I'm not going to risk it with WMT because I've 1 life left

baz962 · 12 Oct 2019

So you got national on group bourdon and glop and failed everything else, or national on everything.

Tezza32 · 12 Oct 2019

Only on group bourdon and glop but they wouldn't give me any information about rest

baz962 · 12 Oct 2019

So you don't know if you have failed to enhanced or failed to national on the rest .

Tezza32 · 12 Oct 2019

They said I failed to enhanced but only pass the two I mentioned to national level has WMT have enhanced on all levels

baz962 · 12 Oct 2019

If you passed everything to national then you can apply to toc's that accept national straight away. If you want to apply to a toc that accepts enhanced, then you have to wait six months. If you failed any to national, again it's six months until you can re take them. Hope this helps.

Tezza32 · 12 Oct 2019

Yeah baz thanks very much I appreciate your help how are you getting on with stuff?

baz962 · 12 Oct 2019

I'm ok thanks , hope you get sorted and it works out for you .

Jon1930 · 13 Oct 2019

First thing you need to find out is exacty what tests you failed completely just for clairty, as it seems from your messages that you have passed the dots and glop to national standard and failed the other assessments. Sounds like if you apply for a TOC that does not require enhnaced pass, you will only have to retake the tests you have failed, so wont have to resit the glop and dots.

Tezza32 · 13 Oct 2019

Thanks for your help guys I appreciate it

Ferret · 14 Oct 2019

Sounds to me as if you failed most of the tests completely, and just passed the two to national standard. Am I correct?

If that’s the case, I’ll be blunt and say you have 6 months to re-evaluate if this is really the job for you. If you decide you really want this, get practicing as hard as you possibly can over these 6 months. Download the Group Bourdon tool, buy the CDs, leave no stone unturned. As it stands, it sounds like you are a long way from reaching the required standard, and only you can fix that.

Good luck, I wish you all the best in 2020.

strangemonk · 15 Oct 2019

Ferret said:
Sounds to me as if you failed most of the tests completely, and just passed the two to national standard. Am I correct?

If that’s the case, I’ll be blunt and say you have 6 months to re-evaluate if this is really the job for you. If you decide you really want this, get practicing as hard as you possibly can over these 6 months. Download the Group Bourdon tool, buy the CDs, leave no stone unturned. As it stands, it sounds like you are a long way from reaching the required standard, and only you can fix that.

Good luck, I wish you all the best in 2020.

To echo ferret, you didnt meet the enhanced on any of them unfortunately , national standard is pretty much disused these days every toc will want stage 1/2 enhanced or stage 1 at least.

I hate to be blunt but i dont think its the job for you, the psychometric tests however difficult can be practiced to a degree but overall its about your mental ability to judge how to work through these tests thats what these tests test for if you have correct state of mind for reactions , problem solving , concentrating , multi tasking. Im not saying your stupid so please dont take offence but judging by your failure in every test it will be difficult to overhaul all of them to enhanced passes.

Its not impossible but unlikely mate, again im only saying what i believe is the honest truth these tests are not meant to be tried and tried hence the 2 attempt limit its a case of either you have the abilities and skills or you dont companies spend upwards of 80,000£ per person to become a driver and these tests eliminate the persons who may not be the correct candidate.

MostlyHarmless · 15 Oct 2019

strangemonk said:
To echo ferret, you didnt meet the enhanced on any of them unfortunately , national standard is pretty much disused these days every toc will want stage 1/2 enhanced or stage 1 at least.

Thats not really true - GWR, SWR and Southeastern don't and I'm not sure that Southern do either and there is no enhanced pass for the stage 2 computer tests. The fact is that no-one knows what constitutes an 'enhanced' pass either and they probably vary between TOC's so that an enhanced pass at one isn't at another. At least the national standard is exactly that!

Having said all that, if the OP has failed them all to the national standard (although this isn't really clear) then perhaps he isn't suited to the role of a train driver.

Red1980 · 15 Oct 2019

It's a tough one this!

I'm not gonna sit here and say "maybe this isn't the job for you" as that's not my place. However I will echo in what one of the above has said.....these tests although provided with some practice material aren't really designed for you to keep practicing so to speak that's why there's only 2 fails allowed.

The tests that you have to take these days are more relevant to the role than they've ever really been so these aren't just designed to see if you can drive a train they're also to determine if the aptitude is there to make it through the training.

There are endless assessments of written, verbal and practical nature that would need to be passed long before you would drive a train and these tests help a TOC see whether a candidate would cope with the course..... It's not a foregone conclusion that people pass out and that includes people that ace these tests.

I'd forget about the comparison between national and enhanced standards as many people who reach enhanced level fail the course and many people with lower marks pass out with no problems at all....this is why I won't suggest having a think about whether this job is for you or not.

However what I will say is that given you've come up considerably short by your own admission and one of your chances has gone.......for god sake don't retake any assessment again until you've done some more research on the assessments and what's expected of you.

You've jumped a major hurdle by getting to the assessments in the first place as many don't make it that far.....so you know there's no real issues with your application. This helps as now you can concentrate on using the practice material you've been given and asking questions whenever you can.

Unfortunately if you do come up short again it will tell a story and it probably wasn't meant to be.

I wish you the very best of luck.

Red

Tezza32 · 15 Oct 2019

Thanks guys well I've just had a call from the opc confirming my results

Group bourdon - national pass
Glop- national pass
Toc- failed
Trp1-failed
Trp2-failed
The TOC WMT wanted enhanced passes for all so I didn't meet there requirements on any these.

baz962 · 15 Oct 2019

Tezza32 said:
Thanks guys well I've just had a call from the opc confirming my results

Group bourdon - national pass
Glop- national pass
Toc- failed
Trp1-failed
Trp2-failed
The TOC WMT wanted enhanced passes for all so I didn't meet there requirements on any these.

To add to other posts. According to the OPC , the test most often failed is the group bourdon. I would look at the results this way - you passed the test that most people fail , perhaps you misunderstood the trp one's or at the very least you could maybe come back stronger with some practice and tweaking. Good luck mate if you go again .

Tezza32 · 15 Oct 2019

Thank you baz much appreciated

Ferret · 15 Oct 2019

There’s a youtube video for the TEA-OCC - I am convinced that video helped me pass that. As for the dials, I’m not sure how you practice that, I found the real thing somewhat different to the practice material. The same comment goes for the DFFT!

Tezza32 · 15 Oct 2019

Yeah ferret I found that the same to be honest I Rember the telephone directory and I market off all matching symbols but I failed that so I'm not sure what went wrong

Jon1930 · 15 Oct 2019

Tezza32 said:
Yeah ferret I found that the same to be honest I Rember the telephone directory and I market off all matching symbols but I failed that so I'm not sure what went wrong

U may have passed that test, but remember the TEA OCC is 3 tests so you may have failed the tones?
A guard at my depot failed 1 from the 3 tea occ tests and passed the other 4 assesments at enhanced level. Why don't you consider applying for a guards job? They are on a good wage and with overtime can earn much more. Then when you feel ready have another crack at the drivers tests.

Tezza32 · 15 Oct 2019

Yeah Jon that's what I thought about doing

C001 · 16 Oct 2019

I failed the tones test first time round .. never thought I’d pass that .. bought a disc for 60 quid online to pass it and I smashed it this time ... practiced like mad for 3 weeks

and now I’m starting with dB cargo on 9th of December as a junior/trainee mainline driver .

Tezza32 · 16 Oct 2019

Brilliant mate well done pleased for you

Vdt · 16 Oct 2019

Cumbria said:
I failed the tones test first time round .. never thought I’d pass that .. bought a disc for 60 quid online to pass it and I smashed it this time ... practiced like mad for 3 weeks

and now I’m starting with dB cargo on 9th of December as a junior/trainee mainline driver .

I only failed this one.. which disc did you buy that helped you

Ferret · 16 Oct 2019

VDT, get on youtube. The video from Mr McMunn helped me no end with the TEA-OCC.

C001 · 16 Oct 2019

https://traineetraindriverinfo.com/e-products/

tea occ one of that website 54.99 I think .

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