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Last time I went to an away match in Cumbria, half of my team's supporters had to be taxied back from places like Crewe and Preston because of major disruption on the WCML after the game. Personally I'd always be out of London before 0800 at the latest for a match like that. How silly of me.

Clearly the supporters were foolhardy for only travelling back after the game and should have planned ahead and left at half time to be safer.

There are some silly suggestions going on in this thread. The only reason for travelling hours ahead is if you want to spend longer in the pub. Which, back to talking about Barrow, is the only thing there to do for visitors. When I went I got the train most convenient for checking in time at my hotel. As the game was called off, I spent the afternoon in pubs.

I'm struggling to understand why there's an idea that it's sensible to arrive somewhere hours before you want to or it's convenient to.
 
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Roads can be blocked as well as railway lines.

A few years ago, I remember a Barrow v Bradford night game kicking off at 9.10 pm as players from BOTH teams were severely delayed due to the M6 being closed near Lancaster. Barrow like many non-league sides drew their players from far and wide. Both clubs were commended by Conference North for getting the game played.

I abandoned my car journey when I heard the M6 was closed and went to watch Rochdale vs Grimsby instead. It remains the only time in 60 years that I have set off for a match by road or rail and failed to arrive.
 
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Sutton earlier in the season only just made kick off at Hartlepool due to cancellations, so they obviously haven’t been put off by using the train.

On the other side of the coin, a few year back I and other Hartlepool fans set off on the first GC train to London on Saturday morning to get to Leyton Orient for the 3pm kick off and we got there in good time. The Pools team coach though set off Friday afternoon with an overnight stay, and was caught up in traffic problems on the m25 meaning they couldn’t get to the ground and the game was called off.

Trains/Buses/Planes it doesn’t matter, problems can happen.
 

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The really silly one is when teams stay overnight, but not actually close enough to the destination to avoid getting stuck in a major motorway incident on matchday!
 

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The really silly one is when teams stay overnight, but not actually close enough to the destination to avoid getting stuck in a major motorway incident on matchday!

Hartlepool on the above occasion I believe stayed somewhere close to Peterborough.... Unfortunately that was when we were doing well, I think we would welcome a postponement these days just to delay the pain.
 

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Hartlepool on the above occasion I believe stayed somewhere close to Peterborough.... Unfortunately that was when we were doing well, I think we would welcome a postponement these days just to delay the pain.

Hartlepool? Doing well? Hahahahahahaha trophies won:0

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Liverpool regularly travel to London games by train the day before, but fly back usually from Luton, I assume that’s because of lack of options train wise after matches, plus those trains be full of supporters. Virgin will often put stop in at Watford Junction for NW teams to get off and stay at The Grove if they playing Watford.
 

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A few years ago, I remember a Barrow v Bradford night game kicking off at 9.10 pm as players from BOTH teams were severely delayed due to the M6 being closed near Lancaster. Barrow like many non-league sides drew their players from far and wide. Both clubs were commended by Conference North for getting the game played.

I abandoned my car journey when I heard the M6 was closed and went to watch Rochdale vs Grimsby instead. It remains the only time in 60 years that I have set off for a match by road or rail and failed to arrive.


was that the night a lorry load of live chickens collided with a lorry load of paint? Something I hope never gets repeated
 

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Almost certainly not - the game was March 1st 2005 (almost stretching to March 2nd)
 

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Liverpool regularly travel to London games by train the day before, but fly back usually from Luton, I assume that’s because of lack of options train wise after matches, plus those trains be full of supporters. Virgin will often put stop in at Watford Junction for NW teams to get off and stay at The Grove if they playing Watford.

Just reminded me aswell that England team would sometimes request a pick up from a Virgin train coming from the North west at Lichfield Trent Valley as they'd be training at the national centre near Burton.

Would stop at Watford Junction as they'd always stay at the Grove Hotel before Wembley games.

I get the feeling I actually read that on here!
 

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Firstly thoughts are with the family and friends of the person hit by a train and rail and BTP staff and others who had to deal with the aftermath.

In respect of Dover's travel plans, while it is good to see use of the train, they appear to have been ambitious, even without a possible lack of awareness of unreliable rail services in Lancashire and Cumbria.

My understanding was that from the 09:30 ex-Euston they had intended to change trains at Lancaster, relying on a seven-minute connection, arriving in Barrow at 13:10 with a fifteen minute walk to the ground - or taxis, perhaps? (I note that some have suggested a coach was planned from Lancaster. The only mention of a coach I had heard at the ground on Saturday was that Barrow had offered to provide a coach from Lancaster to collect the team from the train at Lancaster, later Preston where the train would be terminated. This offer was declined and at least some of the squad were reported to have already left the train at Crewe.

Clearly the ability to return home after a much-delayed match would have been a consideration for the would-be visitors but nineteen Dover supporters, two officials and the kit had arrived at the ground around 13:00 on a full-size coach, having left Dover at 06:00, and were in a position to provide return travel. As it was, the visiting supporters left town after a couple of hours refreshment (and sandwiches provided by the club) in The Crossbar at the ground for their return journey.

Yesterday probably summed up the folly of having FIVE national leagues. Dover will now have to travel to Barrow on a Tuesday night.
It's a nonsense - distances make remaining part-time in the National League that bit more difficult with time off work, etc. Even for full-time clubs, the magic of the fixture compiler comes into play. Barrow, for example play at Torquay on Saturday October 26th then travel to Dagenham & Redbridge on Tuesday October 29th. The former will involve a Friday morning trip south then training in the south-west and a hotel stay before the match day followed by a late evening return north. for the latter, training on Monday at the usual Hopwood Campus base, travel to Essex on Tuesday morning for a loosening up session in the afternoon before the match and a return north just before the milkman arrives.

I didnt even find out if the Barrow Bus Depot was nicer than a packet of Chewitts :(
Before the West Terrace was demolished this summer for development, leaving the flat area in your first picture, you would have seen the bus depot over the wall. It's now a big metal shed whereas at the time of the Chewits advert it was a big concrete shed with an art deco frontage on a site now occupied by one of the large retail parks on the edge of the town centre (which suffered massively as a result of the development of the said retail parks). Either depot would have taken some mastication...

The only reason for travelling hours ahead is if you want to spend longer in the pub. Which, back to talking about Barrow, is the only thing there to do for visitors.
If spending the afternoon in the pub was the best you could manage then that was a poor show in a borough rated number one in England for its natural environment, including outstanding nature reserves. (Then there's interesting Victorian architecture, ruins of a fine Cistercian abbey, a castle, several islands, a fine museum built into a graving dock. No Primark though...)

I'm struggling to understand why there's an idea that it's sensible to arrive somewhere hours before you want to or it's convenient to.
Avoiding the temptation to suggest it allows one to take in some of the local area and subsequently avoid ill-informed remarks on an Internet forum ;), I don't think anyone has suggested that the teams who fell foul of Saturday's sad fatality should have arrived 'hours before' but some contingency built into travel plans would have been sensible.

I live about 100 minutes away from the ground by car and wouldn't dream of leaving home for a Saturday match at 13:00. No matter car or train, one needs to make allowances for possible problems en route.
 

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Charlton regularly use the train to get to northern away matches, going the day before though. Indeed as a team they often go from SE London together

The team then travel back on the coach but sometimes players will take the train back individually if they want to be back home quicker. Last season after a game at Sunderland, one of the players was spotted with the Charlton fans taking the direct Grand Central train home!

I was on that direct Grand Central train - there was more than one Charlton player coming back with us!

A rather heart-breaking way to start the season that was, conceding a 96th minute winner. But we got our own back at Wembley :D
 

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To repeat a point already made, Dover would have switched to a coach from a mainline station. In this case Lancaster. They don't use local rail services.

"Some" of the squad didn't leave the train at Crewe. They all did, presumably the management and directors with the squad made the decision on being told the train was terminating at Preston, .

Another example - In August, I arrived on the same train into Leeds and transferred to Northern to get to Harrogate. The squad left the station to complete the journey by road.

Long distance travel is an accepted thing in the National Leagues. Next week we are away at Weymouth in a regional FA Cup 4th qualifying round. If we or Halifax made the FA Cup 2nd round then that game will on a Tuesday. Next month we are at Yeovil for a 5.20pm kick off. A few years ago, we played Truro away on a Tuesday and that was in the regional South division.
 

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Not seen it recently, but the coach collecting the players used to pull into Euston on the platform area (from the side, near platforms 1-3?) - Seen Wigan and I think City do it
 

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This interesting thread has made me wonder what happened in the 40s and 50s (say) - also pre war. The roads in those days, prior to the first motorway (late 50s) were essentially no more than what we now regard as country lanes, once outside the major cities. The coaches were anything but speedy. I suspect that use of rail was perhaps more de rigueur also for teams, but it would be interesting to know; certainly for travelling fans it was. In my home city of Bristol, every 'Green Un' on Saturday would include the rail cheap day offers for the next week's matches, including special trains if it were a big game (now called footexes I believe).
 

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This interesting thread has made me wonder what happened in the 40s and 50s (say) - also pre war. The roads in those days, prior to the first motorway (late 50s) were essentially no more than what we now regard as country lanes, once outside the major cities. The coaches were anything but speedy. I suspect that use of rail was perhaps more de rigueur also for teams, but it would be interesting to know; certainly for travelling fans it was. In my home city of Bristol, every 'Green Un' on Saturday would include the rail cheap day offers for the next week's matches, including special trains if it were a big game (now called footexes I believe).

We had more rail network back then.
 

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We had more rail network back then.
Well the branch lines have gone but the towns that have football clubs were and are still all accessible by rail. I just wondered in my post what the teams did, as opposed to supporters, in 1950.
 

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It's a nonsense - distances make remaining part-time in the National League that bit more difficult with time off work, etc. Even for full-time clubs, the magic of the fixture compiler comes into play. Barrow, for example play at Torquay on Saturday October 26th then travel to Dagenham & Redbridge on Tuesday October 29th. The former will involve a Friday morning trip south then training in the south-west and a hotel stay before the match day followed by a late evening return north. for the latter, training on Monday at the usual Hopwood Campus base, travel to Essex on Tuesday morning for a loosening up session in the afternoon before the match and a return north just before the milkman arrives.

The 4th and 5th tiers should merge into a north and south league
 

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The 4th and 5th tiers should merge into a north and south league

Do you mean the conference and conference north levels? If so i think this is a silly idea! Clubs at our level in conference north, and in particular the non professional ones, could not hope to compete.

You are also looking at 1 promotion slot from each league meaning for many the season is over by Christmas. That should help the finances.
 

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The 6th tier is almost as bad with teams like Blyth, Gateshead and Spennymoor having to travel to Gloucester, Hereford, Brackley and Kings Lynn. And vice versa.

The geographical spread in National North is going to get worse in future years. We now have four 7th tier leagues feeding NL North and NL South - and three of these are based in the south and south midlands.
 

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I assumed 4th and 5th tier meant League 2 and National League.
Not keen personally - by the time you get to National League you should be able to handle long trips, and if not you are probably going to struggle anyway.
Merging to regionalise would make the leagues even more disparate than they already are - you would get a lot of very one sided games
 

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Do you mean the conference and conference north levels? If so i think this is a silly idea! Clubs at our level in conference north, and in particular the non professional ones, could not hope to compete.

You are also looking at 1 promotion slot from each league meaning for many the season is over by Christmas. That should help the finances.

No. Merge League Two and National League into a north and south (it used to be division 3 north and south). 4 up into League One (two from each) and four down from League One to feed into it. 4 down from the new league into the current National North and South which also promotes four (two from each).

It's not perfect but neither is having part time clubs catching trains from Kent to Cumbria at 9.30 on a Saturday for a 3pm kick off for a league game.
 

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Barrow is an outlier. The fact that it can be done on the day shows that it’s not really an issue.
Regionalised leagues at that level are going to be ridiculous - the smallest teams would struggle to cope with the away crowds of the biggest teams and some games would be so lopsided.

More importantly the league clubs would never vote for it - one bad season and a League 2 club could be in National South or North!
 

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In the good old days I've been delayed by snow in the north returning from a Barnsley v Portsmouth match and missed the last train to Pompey. We were put on a Bournemouth train normally fast to Southampton Central which made a special stop at Eastleigh with a 6 car thumper football special laid on at short notice to take us back home.
What a contrast to the current situation with the shambolic management of Fratton station after every home game, no football specials to Havant anymore resulting in thousands of people trying to board a 3 car Southern 313. Even worst this weekend when somebody allowed Bournemouth Trains to be diverted via Havant with the consequent delays and also resulted in half the trains not being loaded on the PIS and being displayed as not stopping at Fratton with the station manager not having a clue where the trains were going.
 

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Trains also stop too early on a Saturday. Ultimately the reason the Dover game was called off was a delayed kick off would have meant Dover couldn't get a train back to London on Saturday. In their whole schedule everything had to run like clockwork.
 

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Ultimately the reason the Dover game was called off was a delayed kick off would have meant Dover couldn't get a train back to London on Saturday.

There was room for the players on the Dover supporters' coach, and they'd agreed to take them.
 

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It's not perfect but neither is having part time clubs catching trains from Kent to Cumbria at 9.30 on a Saturday for a 3pm kick off for a league game.

They weren't catching the train from Kent to Cumbria - it's been mentioned numerous times in this thread that they were catching the train from Euston to Lancaster.
 

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Not seen it recently, but the coach collecting the players used to pull into Euston on the platform area (from the side, near platforms 1-3?) - Seen Wigan and I think City do it

Network Rail don't like it anymore I don't think - the 0200 Saturday morning replacement bus used to but it uses the bus station outside now!
 
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