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Do narrower doors deter people trying to board the train before people have alighted?

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The ride quality has been slated in a few places, as for the doors it's difficult to stroke a balance, but perhaps they'll adjust station dwells in future timetables to compensate?
Once people get used to them, the end doors won't be much of an issue. In fact as TPE regulars don't seem to have ever got the hang of "let people off first", the narrow doors might stop the impatient squeezers!
 
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Once people get used to them, the end doors won't be much of an issue. In fact as TPE regulars don't seem to have ever got the hang of "let people off first", the narrow doors might stop the impatient squeezers!

I think that’s because if you don’t get on quick you can get left behind, an increasing occurrence since they shortened a lot of peak trains
 

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I think that’s because if you don’t get on quick you can get left behind, an increasing occurrence since they shortened a lot of peak trains

It has nothing to do with that at all. Passengers have done it for years because they are rude and selfish!

I had some the other week pushing down the aisles to get seats before some people had even had chance to stand up (because the aisle was full of people trying to grt off).
 

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I am forever making announcements telling people to allow others to leave the train before boarding. There is a severe case of get-that-seat-itis on the network but I don't think it's solely epidemic on TPE
 

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A curse across the network, definitely. But I would imagine that Getseatitis has therefore an increased likelihood of occurring within patients suffering from shorter peak trains than previously.
 

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That I do agree with, however longer trains with more capacity won't cure the severe cases. Some people are downright selfish and I have suffered injury to my hand at the mercy of the access ramp due to impatient patients with severe getseatitis. The bitter getthenexttrain pill was hard to swallow that day
 

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First place I can recall encountering it on a large scale was New Street, and that was before ‘Operation Princess’.
 

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Do you think TransPennine customers are different to those on other TOCs?

I wasn't being specific to tpe passengers that was just a general passengers comment. You are right its not just tpe.

Although it just happened at Victoria on a Liverpool service....
 

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I have a way of at least speeding it up, tell passengers what type of train it is and put signs up telling them where to stand. It should at least help boarding.
 

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Not necessarily, just come off a Nova 1 and people would not let me get off apart from 1 person. They just forced their way on, I could have ended up in Huddersfield.
 

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Not necessarily, just come off a Nova 1 and people would not let me get off apart from 1 person. They just forced their way on, I could have ended up in Huddersfield.

Daily occurence at every station. Elbows work as do expletives. I did hope narrow doors would help, sad to see not. I really think the guards should be on it hotter announcing it. I know some do and I appreciate it. But it makes it very difficult for some people, and its those I feel for. At 6ft 2 and 120kg I tend not to struggle and just find it an inconvenience. The old man with a stick and a suitcase behind me less so, although I always help.
 

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Daily occurence at every station. Elbows work as do expletives. I did hope narrow doors would help, sad to see not. I really think the guards should be on it hotter announcing it. I know some do and I appreciate it. But it makes it very difficult for some people, and its those I feel for. At 6ft 2 and 120kg I tend not to struggle and just find it an inconvenience. The old man with a stick and a suitcase behind me less so, although I always help.

If I find it impossible to get off I do my best ‘Basil Fawlty after being hit on the head’ impression ;)

Something mentioned elsewhere is that on 2/3 doors you’ve two directions to go in, making loading quicker, which does play out on quiet services but on a busy train I think it’s the opposite, as people tend to dither in the vestibule while trying to make up their minds which way to go. “That way’s got a table seat but it’s next to a fat bloke, but that way’s got a seat next to someone small but it’s facing the wrong way. Decisions decisions.....” Probably the same folk who block the aisle in the supermarket trying to decide which cheese to buy.... <D:lol:
 

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Daily occurence at every station. Elbows work as do expletives. I did hope narrow doors would help, sad to see not. I really think the guards should be on it hotter announcing it. I know some do and I appreciate it. But it makes it very difficult for some people, and its those I feel for. At 6ft 2 and 120kg I tend not to struggle and just find it an inconvenience. The old man with a stick and a suitcase behind me less so, although I always help.

I find that 99 times out of 100 jostling/elbows are totally unnecessary to get a seat anyway. I hang back, let everyone else have handbags with each other, then get on at leisure.
 

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I find that 99 times out of 100 jostling/elbows are totally unnecessary to get a seat anyway. I hang back, let everyone else have handbags with each other, then get on at leisure.
Absolutely I am referring to getting off!
 

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It is usually the person who has faffed about, and isn't ready to get off at the same time as everyone else who causes problems. People wait until everyone (they think!) has got off, start to get on, and then along comes the lagard to get in everyone's way. Then they complain about people 'barging onto the train' before they've had a chance to get off.

If you want to get off, be ready to get off. Bags packed, coat on, poised to leap.
 

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It is usually the person who has faffed about, and isn't ready to get off at the same time as everyone else who causes problems. People wait until everyone (they think!) has got off, start to get on, and then along comes the lagard to get in everyone's way. Then they complain about people 'barging onto the train' before they've had a chance to get off.

If you want to get off, be ready to get off. Bags packed, coat on, poised to leap.

And if you're carrying lots of stuff or are with young children, put your phone down for 30 seconds...
 

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I find that when getting off a train gravity does help to enhance the power of elbows and shoulders. One place that does respect the concept of letting a train empty out first is Merseyrail. Even with the lack of space at Central you'll see the crowds part to allow people off before attempting to board.
 

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I have many times got to the doors , found a crowd trying to push on or just generally block my passage off.

I'm quite a stocky person from lots of rugby when younger, so I find standing chest puffed and shoulders as wide as possible filling the door and just looking at them until they get it and realise nobody is getting on until theu clear a path generally has the desired effect and usually quite quickly.
 
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It is usually the person who has faffed about, and isn't ready to get off at the same time as everyone else who causes problems. People wait until everyone (they think!) has got off, start to get on, and then along comes the lagard to get in everyone's way. Then they complain about people 'barging onto the train' before they've had a chance to get off.

If you want to get off, be ready to get off. Bags packed, coat on, poised to leap.

I couldn't agree more! I'm faced with this situation on most peak time journeys.
 

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I find that off peak it’s morons rather than the impatient. They seem happy to wait, but form a semi circle round the door. I really don’t get how they expect disembarking passengers to evaporate as they touch the platform.
Of course it’s even worse when people have bikes but let’s not go there again....
 

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It is usually the person who has faffed about, and isn't ready to get off at the same time as everyone else who causes problems. People wait until everyone (they think!) has got off, start to get on, and then along comes the lagard to get in everyone's way. Then they complain about people 'barging onto the train' before they've had a chance to get off.

If you want to get off, be ready to get off. Bags packed, coat on, poised to leap.

This is the thing though, no it isn't! Many do it straight away!
 

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I have many times got to the doors , found a crowd trying to push on or just generally block my passage off.

I'm quite a stocky person from lots of rugby when younger, so I find standing chest puffed and shoulders as wide as possible filling the door and just looking at them until they get it and realise nobody is getting on until theu clear a path generally has the desired effect and usually quite quickly.

This, I just stand there holding my bag by my side and just stare at them. One time an irate man told me to "get out the train then" so I stepped forward and was suddenly right in front of him. Everyone else walked round him and myself, and he was last to board! I was happy to stand there all day till he moved out my way :D
 

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Case in point tonight. Train pulls in, 3 car 185, plenty of seats available, but guy at the front just has to be on first, having a foot on the train before the first passenger getting off has both feet on the platform. THEN he dithers about going left or right to such a degree that the second person on, me, who has waited for everyone to get off, is on before he’s eventually moved (to the left)! And people wondered why I liked dealing with just freight trains so much.....
 

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Or when boarding people stop and unpack their bag, which usually includes the kitchen sink, onto the first available seat. Much better to just walk deeper to the middle of the coach but the marble effect of falling into the first empty hole is just too alluring.
 

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I've been known to get on the train before people have got off because some people are so disorganised and are faffing about with laptops and brollies and whatever, I haven't got all day, move already.
 

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When the first wave of people get off the train, and as you're about to climb up someone standing by the doors goes "hang on", as the rest who have been too busy faffing around inside finally make their way off
 
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