Is this deal as good as the deal we currently have? That's got to be the decisive factor for anyone who is interested in the future of the country surely?
The various commentators seem to be saying that DUP support will carry with it a larger number of the Tory headbangers.
Johnson is now asking the EU not to agree an extension - either this deal or no deal - which sounds like it could bring him up before the beaks for attempting to undermine the Benn Act. The majority may now need to grab the agenda again and legislate for a referendum on this deal versus remaining (and possibly no deal as a third option). For this the EU would probably grant an extension even if they're not prepared to negotiate any alternative deals.
Is this deal as good as the deal we currently have? That's got to be the decisive factor for anyone who is interested in the future of the country surely?
Potentially some of the 21 Tory rebels and the "Labour for a Deal" MPs might... but the numbers would still be very tight.The DUP still aren't on board with it. The white smoke may be premature.
Actually, now I consider it more, does the DUP's support really matter? The only way any new deal has more than a snowball's chance in hell is if it's bundled with a confirmatory referendum.
Potentially some of the 21 Tory rebels and the "Labour for a Deal" MPs might... but the numbers would still be very tight.
One of the several court actions rumbling on is about whether the court can appoint someone to request an extension if Boris refuses to do so when required by law.So presumably if the majority take charge for the extension they would also have to choose someone to put forward as a commissioner?
They mainly voted for May's deal but would be less inclined to do so for a deal that is further from a "soft" Brexit. So fewer of them might support it unless they thought the alternative would be no deal, which the Benn Act has probably ruled out in the short term.Potentially some of the 21 Tory rebels and the "Labour for a Deal" MPs might... but the numbers would still be very tight.
Don't you mean "Disconnect 4" (ever)? Actually it's not complicated at all, it boils down to:I guess it will all come down to 'Super Saturday' as it's being dubbed in various places. We're potentially reaching the end of this three year, fourteen dimensional game of international Connect 4.
To which the answer is unequivocally "no". And nobody in this forum has given any reason to believe otherwise in the six months or so I've been following it. All the extra complication is about people who have been going to any lengths not to answer this question, or to intimidate those who do answer it.Is this deal as good as the deal we currently have?
I can see a lot of businesses in NI getting suspiciously large 'warehouses'.The arrangement whereby duty is paid on goods going from GB to NI only if there's a risk of them crossing into Ireland seems like a recipe for fraud or have I misunderstood it?
To which the answer is unequivocally "no". And nobody in this forum has given any reason to believe otherwise in the six months or so I've been following it. All the extra complication is about people who have been going to any lengths not to answer this question, or to intimidate those who do answer it.
This is the depth this country is allowing itself to sink to, we are rapidly becoming the laughing stock of Europe, and having spent a few days in Vienna & talking to not just the locals, but other Europeans visiting that city this really is what they think of us now, at least as a nation.
I just hope the Europeans are enlightened enough to see that many people in the UK are horrified by the behavior or our government and of other pro-Brexit factions, and that it isn't representative of the country as a whole.
The arrangement whereby duty is paid on goods going from GB to NI only if there's a risk of them crossing into Ireland seems like a recipe for fraud or have I misunderstood it?
Is this deal as good as the deal we currently have? That's got to be the decisive factor for anyone who is interested in the future of the country surely?
There is a loophole in the sense of 'private citizen to citizen' and travellers' baggage products are not subject to tariffs. There's also a 'negligible value' clause. Surely there's some exploitation to be had there?
They've previously said they will grant an extension for a referendum or an election. Has that changed? Unless it has, then it's still compatible with not negotiating further - they could tell us we have to take it or leave it (or remain of course) but we don't need to decide which until a later date.Boris doesn't have to not ask for an extension. I believe the EU has said they won't grant one, this is the deal.
I would be very happy with an AV referendum of this deal vs no deal vs remain.
I would, for what it's worth, vote in this order:
1. Remain
2. This deal
3. No deal
However, some moderate Leavers may wish to reverse the top two.
If we did do that, I would suggest the referendum should be legally binding and should automatically invoke the selected option.
And it would be an Act of Parliament that sets the result of the referendum.We cannot have automatic invocation of a referendum; Parliament is sovereign, not the citizens.
Does London air count as fresh? https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march_for_final_sayMaybe a good day to turn off the phone, avoid the TV, get some fresh air..
Yes the labelling of expensive goods as "Gifts" or of no monetary value in the hope that customs don't look closer at the package.
Boris doesn't have to not ask for an extension. I believe the EU has said they won't grant one, this is the deal.
No, it's up to the 27, not the president, negotiator, dinner lady....!Boris doesn't have to not ask for an extension. I believe the EU has said they won't grant one, this is the deal.
I would be very happy with an AV referendum of this deal vs no deal vs remain.
I would, for what it's worth, vote in this order:
1. Remain
2. This deal
3. No deal
However, some moderate Leavers may wish to reverse the top two.
If we did do that, I would suggest the referendum should be legally binding and should automatically invoke the selected option.
Categorically, *NO* referendum should ever offer No Deal as an option to Joe Public. That's reckless in the extreme. Essentially citzens voting to kill their fellow citizens.
Tory whips' estimate of MP's voting behaviour on Saturday, assuming DUP voting against 'deal', as given to BBC reporter tonight = majority of 1 (yes,1) for the government. Take that with a pinch of salt if you wish, but some Labour MPs will vote for it, including some who voted against Theresa May's. Ronnie Campbell, veteran Labour MP, on Newsnight tonight, will be one such. Almost all the expelled-whip Tories will probably vote for it too, although Dominic Grieve may not be among them.
Makes me glad that I will be spending the day riding around Strathclyde on a Daytripper ticket and having fun !I don't see why Parliament wouldn't be allowed to pass an Act that says the result of the referendum must come to pass. Although it would also have the power to amend or repeal that Act at any time before any leaving date.