Great Northern 313 Withdrawals

class387 · 17 Oct 2019

SPADTrap said:
Looks good.

I assume since it's a tour it's exempt from door colour regulations?

Looking great.

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Ladder23 · 17 Oct 2019

Surely this will be preserved and not scrapped now

daniel1234321 · 17 Oct 2019

Ladder23 said:
Surely this will be preserved and not scrapped now

Exactly what I was thinking, someone's not telling us something...

Islineclear3_1 · 17 Oct 2019

But isn't it 2 units for the tour...? Maybe then the other unit will have similar treatment?

Looking forward to seeing them in Southernland...

Ladder23 · 17 Oct 2019

Not quite as nice but..

Islineclear3_1 · 17 Oct 2019

Guess that is 134 then...

daniel1234321 · 17 Oct 2019

robert7111a said:
Guess that is 134 then...

134 has low back seats, must be another carriage of 064

Peter Mugridge · 17 Oct 2019

daniel1234321 said:
134 has low back seats, must be another carriage of 064

It shows the carriage number in the picture; it's the middle vehicle of 313 064.

Southern Dvr · 18 Oct 2019

Seems quite wasteful really to re-livery a unit for one trip and then cart it off to the scrapyard. A real shame they didn’t do this last year (adapted as required for modern regs) when the unit was in frontline service.

reddragon · 18 Oct 2019

Any news on 313.033,39,47,48,49,60,61 ?

59CosG95 · 18 Oct 2019

reddragon said:
Any news on 313.033,39,47,48,49,60,61 ?

313047 was dispatched for scrap with 313051 on September 30th.
The others are still extant...somewhere.

Failed Unit · 18 Oct 2019

Southern Dvr said:
Seems quite wasteful really to re-livery a unit for one trip and then cart it off to the scrapyard. A real shame they didn’t do this last year (adapted as required for modern regs) when the unit was in frontline service.

When you look at the state some of them were in. 047 and 048 in particular with minimum attempts to keep paintwork tidy from graffiti attacks it is an insult to passengers tbh. Let’s paint a unit for a one of trip but not bother in front line services.

I guess it was deliberate the more run done the 313s the more grateful we should appear for any replacement.

Class315 · 18 Oct 2019

59CosG95 said:
313047 was dispatched for scrap with 313051 on September 30th.
The others are still extant...somewhere.

Just a correction, 047 was not dispatched for scrap but sent to Ferme Park, where earlier this week it was supposed to move with 033 & 060 to Hertford North CS, the units made the move before returning to Hornsey, where they remain in situ.

037 & 051 went for scrap on the 30/09/19.

033/039/047/060/061/064 & 134 all remain with Hornsey.

reddragon · 18 Oct 2019

Class315 said:
Just a correction, 047 was not dispatched for scrap but sent to Ferme Park, where earlier this week it was supposed to move with 033 & 060 to Hertford North CS, the units made the move before returning to Hornsey, where they remain in situ.

037 & 051 went for scrap on the 30/09/19.

033/039/047/060/061/064 & 134 all remain with Hornsey.

And 048/49?

Class315 · 18 Oct 2019

reddragon said:
And 048/49?

Sorry knew I missed a pair, they're sitting in Hornsey on the same road 134 is being prepared on.

ashkeba · 18 Oct 2019

Ladder23 said:
Not quite as nice but..

White really highlights the corrosion at the bottom, doesn't it?

daniel1234321 · 18 Oct 2019

Class315 said:
Sorry knew I missed a pair, they're sitting in Hornsey on the same road 134 is being prepared on.

Is 134 being reliveried for the tour?

Fincra5 · 18 Oct 2019

Southern Dvr said:
Seems quite wasteful really to re-livery a unit for one trip and then cart it off to the scrapyard. A real shame they didn’t do this last year (adapted as required for modern regs) when the unit was in frontline service.

Maybe the DMS of 064 will be saved?

Ianno87 · 18 Oct 2019

Failed Unit said:
When you look at the state some of them were in. 047 and 048 in particular with minimum attempts to keep paintwork tidy from graffiti attacks it is an insult to passengers tbh. Let’s paint a unit for a one of trip but not bother in front line services.

I guess it was deliberate the more run done the 313s the more grateful we should appear for any replacement.

...or it was just pointless to repeatedly pay money to repair vandalism again and again....?

Islineclear3_1 · 18 Oct 2019

Southern Dvr said:
Seems quite wasteful really to re-livery a unit for one trip and then cart it off to the scrapyard.

Especially if 313.201 is destined for the NRM - unless of course with its extra windfall, the NRM can accommodate two units... :!:

Failed Unit · 18 Oct 2019

Ianno87 said:
...or it was just pointless to repeatedly pay money to repair vandalism again and again....?

Well they have to do it on the 717s and 700s so why not? No need to deliberately make the trains look shabby.

jon0844 · 18 Oct 2019

Ianno87 said:
...or it was just pointless to repeatedly pay money to repair vandalism again and again....?

The exterior looked like it did because they kept removing the tags and supposed 'artwork' being put on almost daily. The chemicals stripped away most of the colour and made them look like that.

Southern Dvr · 18 Oct 2019

Of course the obvious response is they should have done something about the units being vandalised as much as they were!

at the risk of a slight going off topic, the amount of trains being graffitied is reminiscent of the 1980s!

jon0844 · 18 Oct 2019

Southern Dvr said:
Of course the obvious response is they should have done something about the units being vandalised as much as they were!

at the risk of a slight going off topic, the amount of trains being graffitied is reminiscent of the 1980s!

I believe a lot of the problems were on trains stabled at Hertford which has a really easy means of access from the road. I am not sure what has been done since to reduce the problem, as 717s aren't getting hit in the same way (perhaps the offenders were caught or have moved on to somewhere else?).

I recall reading on here at the time that Hornsey was short of the chemicals to remove the paint, and without lots of spare units to run the service*, I am sure people would have been equally upset to have trains cancelled to be cleaned than running.

* With so many 313s on reduced power or having been 'boxed in' due to cab issues, I doubt it was easy to split and swap units. To do so would almost certainly have caused more cancelled services than we already had.

Southern Dvr · 18 Oct 2019

The graffiti issue is widespread I’ve noticed. There have been several 700s & 377s attacked with graffiti all over them. Not just Hertford & Welwyn which suffer but obviously that’s where the 313s were getting done.

Regarding the general run down nature of the 313s, it does seem that the leasco wasn’t too concerned what state they were in when returned as they were never going to be used again.

I gather there’s a group trying to save a Class 315 unit, I’d have thought a dual voltage 313 is better?

Foggycorner · 18 Oct 2019

It's about time the spray painters were rubbed out permenantly

prod_pep · 19 Oct 2019

I hope they do one carriage of 313134 in blue and grey, giving a heritage livery at each end of the railtour train.

Ladder23 · 22 Oct 2019

I have a spare ticket available tomorrow’s tour, would anyone be interested for face value.

daniel1234321 · 22 Oct 2019

Hiya, please message me. Thanks

Ladder23 said:
I have a spare ticket available tomorrow’s tour, would anyone be interested for face value.

Ladder23 · 22 Oct 2019

daniel1234321 said:
Hiya, please message me. Thanks

Pm’d.

Please reply ASAP as I have had major interest since posting

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