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Why the delay? When 2 x Mark V sets are in service are TPE just keeping an extra 2 x 185s in the depot? I know that one or both units will not run any day yet but when they are the spare units should be used. I know they may not be able to run double sets if sufficient 397s are not in service and some 185s are needed but the extra capacity should be provided in the mean time.
The fleet is suffering from failures caused by limited downtime, so the priority is getting them looked at by Siemens. Then they'll be diagrammed to strengthen trains once the other new trains come in towards the end of October.
Without the new trains in operation, TPE have 46 of their 51 185's out at anyone time. Previously, it was 43. The 185's have been doing a lot of work without the time in the shed they once had and now we're entering autumn, then now is probably the best time to make sure they're in a good condition, rather than run one or two diagrams at 6 car.
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The afternoon Airport to Cleethorpes is a double today
I'll eat my hat when home. Might be a bit chewy but I'm hungry having had little since 8am (7am UK time)
I'll eat my hat when home. Might be a bit chewy but I'm hungry having had little since 8am (7am UK time)
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Nothing short formed today according to Journey Check but with 3 or 4 new trains in use today there's absolutely no excuse for anything to be short formed.
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Very slightly off-topic but a Manchester to Edinburgh is 3 rather than 4-car today. Issues with a 350?
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There has been a 185 (and sometimes 2) running on 350 diagrams most days for the last few weeks now.
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If 06:26 off Cleethorpes is 09:00 into Piccadilly I'll be able to give a live report Wednesday morning. Working hours won't permit me to see it prior to then.
That's correct (07:42 from Doncaster/08:08 from Sheffield/arr Piccadilly 09:02).
johnnychips
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Was it six cars today? I was in Donny bus station at 0740 and remember thinking the train was occupying a lot of 3b? Might be totally mistaken though!
That one is only showing as 3 cars today.
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Must have been dreaming, sorry!
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A few weeks ago on a Sunday, a double set crossed Stockport Viaduct around midday, heading into Manchester. Is this a booked double? The back set may have been out of use, of course: I couldn't see properly as I was driving along the A6.
Is this because 1 of the 350s have went to another TOC?
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No, we have the same number of 350s in service that we've had since last November when 403 was long term stopped for repairs after a collision with some horses.
I think it's down to maintenance requirements at present.
Or driver training in advance of more 350s going and 185s being used?
yrreb
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Here is what I'm aware of in regards to strengthening next week - As @BHXDMT explains it's subject to whatever else is added into the mix:
AK210
1P61 05:48 MIA - MBR 08:37 (MIA - LDS)
1P68 08:54 MBR - MIA 11:35*
1P25 12:17 MIA - NCL 15:04
1P34 16:16 NCL - MIA 19:09
AK236
1B67 06:26 CLE - MAN 09:25*
1B84 15:53 MAN - CLE 18:54*
AK246
1K07 06:45 MAN - HUL 08:45*
1K14 09:40 HUL - MAN 11:38*
1K17 11:47 MAN - HUL 13:45*
1K27 16:47 MAN - HUL 18:49*
1K36 20:40 HUL - MIA 22:57*
* Must be covered by a second conductor otherwise rear unit will be locked out of use
AK210
1P61 05:48 MIA - MBR 08:37 (MIA - LDS)
1P68 08:54 MBR - MIA 11:35*
1P25 12:17 MIA - NCL 15:04
1P34 16:16 NCL - MIA 19:09
AK236
1B67 06:26 CLE - MAN 09:25*
1B84 15:53 MAN - CLE 18:54*
AK246
1K07 06:45 MAN - HUL 08:45*
1K14 09:40 HUL - MAN 11:38*
1K17 11:47 MAN - HUL 13:45*
1K27 16:47 MAN - HUL 18:49*
1K36 20:40 HUL - MIA 22:57*
* Must be covered by a second conductor otherwise rear unit will be locked out of use
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1P15 Sunday 20 October Manchester Airport-Newcastle is 6 cars as far as Leeds where it divides, with one unit going to Hull
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Not a brilliant start I'm afraid according to Journey Check.
So this one - the 0808 departure from Sheffield - was indeed a double 185.
However, there was confusion about what would happen at Manchester Piccadilly. (AIUI the train has to split at Piccadilly as there isn't the platform space at Manchester Airport for a full 6 car set at that point). The announcement at Sheffield was that the front 3 coaches would continue to Manchester Airport while the rear 3 coaches would terminate at Manchester Piccadilly, and this was backed up by the seat reservations being on the front set. But the conductor on the back set (where I was - it was pretty lightly loaded, which was lovely, though I suspect the front set was much busier!) was saying that in fact the rear set would continue to the Airport and the front set would terminate at Piccadilly. I didn't hang around to see what actually happened but if that's right, and nothing changes, there's going to be a lot of confused and frustrated passengers wanting the Airport but ending up in the wrong half of the train.
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It bas to be the rear set coming from Sheffield that goes to the Airport. That's what they were announcing weeks ago at Barnetby, even for 3 coach trains!
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darloscott
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Coming from Sheffield it has to reverse at Piccadilly so if you’re going to drop one it has to be the front set that gets left
Well that's what I thought too but the announcements at Sheffield have definitely been saying the opposite since May.
Also, the front set needs to be the one with seat reservations due to short platforms at several stations along the route, so if the front train is the one that drops off anyone with a seat reservation to the Airport - unless they're sufficiently experienced travellers to know about this issue - is going to end up having to get off and change carriages at Piccadilly.
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Which is why the 6 coach 7.14 at Dore generally takes 2+ minutes to load instead of the booked minute. Reserved seat holders pile into the first 3. The 40+ without reservations queue up at 2 doors of coach 4. If it's marshalled first at the front that makes it worse. Quite a lot catching that train are season ticket holders without reservations. Observation suggests at least one bike regularly travels on that train from Dore and the user's seat can be booked in a different carriage to his bike.
It tends to a bit manic, but if the 8.14 will now reliably have 6 coaches I'm sure there'll be some levelling out between the two so it's good news.
Heh ho, by 2023 the platform at Dore should have been lengthened - only 4 years to wait now, in theory. Too much curve it seems for a quick and easy straight extension.
Unsurprising given another 185 had its fire bottles go off between Durham and Darlington yesterday, and there are no Nova 1 sets in service today. It was always subject to enough new trains being able to release 185s.
Should pick up once more crews are trained and more Nova services can reliably operate, but at least the 08:08 from Sheffield was a 6 this morning. The 2nd unit from that seems to have been attached to the 10:18 Manchester-Cleethorpes in order to ensure the 17:18 from Manchester-Cleethorpes is a 6 later, which is the busier service of the evening.
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17.18 from Piccadilly has normally been 6 coaches for quite some time and it's well used. It's the 16.18 that should have benefitted today according to an earlier post.
Correct, however the 07:08 from Sheffield was a 3 car vice 6 so the additional unit from the 08:08 was sent back to Cleethorpes to strengthen the usual diagram.
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