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Northern Class 195: Initial Diagrams

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Llama said:
* by working, I mean is passed 'fit to run on Network Rail infrastructure' and with all systems basically working but may contain faults or need software updates or certain parts, I don't mean necessarily 'passed fit for passenger service'.
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I'm conscious of the fact that whenever a new kind of train does a promotional run (for the press, and stakeholders) the unit used is invariably an example which hasn't up to that time appeared in public service, and which doesn't do so immediately thereafter.
There is presumably a fine line between being 'passed fit for passenger service' and being 'passed fit to carry the general public'.
 
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Quick Q, I notice that 2E01 Manchester Victoria to Leeds is booked 2x 195 from Monday, on arrival in Leeds they are booked to detach then one unit is diagrammed to work 2H12 to Carlisle and the other 1D72 to Chester. I wasn't aware of 195s being introduced over the S&C yet, or am I wrong?
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Platform continuity indicates that the Carlisle is formed from 2F22, 0711 Castleford - Leeds.
 
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Llama said:
Quick Q, I notice that 2E01 Manchester Victoria to Leeds is booked 2x 195 from Monday, on arrival in Leeds they are booked to detach then one unit is diagrammed to work 2H12 to Carlisle and the other 1D72 to Chester. I wasn't aware of 195s being introduced over the S&C yet, or am I wrong?
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The other goes to Holbeck CS.
 
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Comes off Holbeck around 17:30 shuttles between Leeds/York then back on Holbeck then ends up on the 2200 to Blackpool.
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Presumably this overnights at Blackpool CS, so does this then go on to the Barrow / Windermere - Manchester Airports the following day?
 
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1E52 is 195002 today so I guess Ellesmere Port to Leeds is also a 195 diagram now as well as Chester after all.
 
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mrcaa said:
1E52 is 195002 today so I guess Ellesmere Port to Leeds is also a 195 diagram now as well as Chester after all.
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The afternoon Ellesmere Port is on the diagram which starts with 0637 Leeds - Chester, and that's the one diagram we haven't had any reports about up to now. It isn't on anyone's list, and no-one has reported seeing it on its travels.
I was a bit slow this morning, I could have asked you to look out for it, you would have passed it a few yards prior to Ordsall Lane Junction.
 
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The afternoon Ellesmere Port is on the diagram which starts with 0637 Leeds - Chester, and that's the one diagram we haven't had any reports about up to now. It isn't on anyone's list, and no-one has reported seeing it on its travels.
I was a bit slow this morning, I could have asked you to look out for it, you would have passed it a few yards prior to Ordsall Lane Junction.
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Ah right. Wasn’t looking out the window then sorry. That’s the boring crawl bit so I was on my phone. I’ll be getting it back tonight so I’ll let you know if it’s even running at all.
 
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A lot of delays on Calder Valley all morning, don't think any connection with the new trains. Anyone know what's been happening?
 
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Ah right. Wasn’t looking out the window then sorry. That’s the boring crawl bit so I was on my phone. I’ll be getting it back tonight so I’ll let you know if it’s even running at all.
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The evening service was no service at all.

“This service was cancelled between Manchester Victoria and Ellesmere Portdue to the planned train being replaced with a slower train (MS).”
 
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I’ll be getting it back tonight so I’ll let you know if it’s even running at all.
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The evening service was no service at all.
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Sorry about the unhappy ending. Reported elsewhere that the unit was a 158 which the booked Liverpool driver wasn't able to drive. You'd think something like that would be foreseeable.
Tomorrow is another day.
 
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Sorry about the unhappy ending. Reported elsewhere that the unit was a 158 which the booked Liverpool driver wasn't able to drive. You'd think something like that would be foreseeable.
Tomorrow is another day.
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Thanks. I guess that’s how it might be then. The morning is a 195 and the evening is a 158. Might as well just stick to TfW in the evening then. That’s the one that seems to get cancelled more often anyway.
 
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The 0613 Liverpool Lime Street to Wilmslow and 0748 return are showing on 'Journey Check' as being formed of two carriages this morning. Additionally, the 0613 is going to skip the Birchwood, Irlam, and Urmston stops - presumably as a consequence of being short-formed.
 
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The 6 coacher was indeed a 2 coacher today - the 3 coach unit must have fallen over. Having said that I was pleasantly surprised how many standing passengers these units can accommodate. Everyone was able to board.
 
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The 6 coacher was indeed a 2 coacher today - the 3 coach unit must have fallen over. Having said that I was pleasantly surprised how many standing passengers these units can accommodate. Everyone was able to board.
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Tell that to the overpaying sardines...
 
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js1000 said:
The 6 coacher was indeed a 2 coacher today - the 3 coach unit must have fallen over. Having said that I was pleasantly surprised how many standing passengers these units can accommodate. Everyone was able to board.
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They are, in my observation, very nearly as good at that as Class 700s, while managing to retain a far better than average level of seating comfort. Perhaps the lesson there is that the 700 needn't have been quite so Spartan.
 
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js1000 said:
The 6 coacher was indeed a 2 coacher today - the 3 coach unit must have fallen over. Having said that I was pleasantly surprised how many standing passengers these units can accommodate. Everyone was able to board.
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But on what section of the route was that? As I mentioned earlier, stops were going to be missed on the 0613 ex-Liverpool, which is the equivalent of calling at all scheduled stops but leaving intending passengers behind. In the event, it would appear that Birchwood was served, but not Irlam or Urmston.
The booked formation is, of course, 6-car.
 
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Tell that to the overpaying sardines...
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Short forms happen. As long as it was a one-off it's fine. Also I have absolutely no idea why the 06:13 to Wilmslow did not stop at Birchwood, Irlam and Urmston.
 
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Bovverboy said:
The 0613 Liverpool Lime Street to Wilmslow and 0748 return are showing on 'Journey Check' as being formed of two carriages this morning. Additionally, the 0613 is going to skip the Birchwood, Irlam, and Urmston stops - presumably as a consequence of being short-formed.
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js1000 said:
The 6 coacher was indeed a 2 coacher today - the 3 coach unit must have fallen over. Having said that I was pleasantly surprised how many standing passengers these units can accommodate. Everyone was able to board.
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But on what section of the route was that? As I mentioned earlier, stops were going to be missed on the 0613 ex-Liverpool, which is the equivalent of calling at all scheduled stops but leaving intending passengers behind. In the event, it would appear that Birchwood was served, but not Irlam or Urmston.
The booked formation is, of course, 6-car.
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Short forms happen. As long as it was a one-off it's fine. Also I have absolutely no idea why the 06:13 to Wilmslow did not stop at Birchwood, Irlam and Urmston.
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Now then, Mr js1000, I see that you've chosen to refrain from answering my question relating to which section of route you were referring to when you said that everyone was able to board, but, if I remember correctly, I think you habitually travel on the 0748 ex-Wilmslow, boarding at a station on the Airport line, and alighting at Piccadilly. So how can you purport to explain (or not) the reason for the 0613 skipping stops, if you weren't on board at the time? I'd already said that it would appear that Birchwood was served.
 
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Short forms happen. As long as it was a one-off it's fine. Also I have absolutely no idea why the 06:13 to Wilmslow did not stop at Birchwood, Irlam and Urmston.
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I understand that it's becoming persistent. I would also say that a 6 carriage service dropping to 2, on a line which has been much neglected in terms of alternatives, really isn't on.

The train won't have stopped at whatever stations it didn't stop at because they physically couldn't fit any more people on the train than they already had on board. Again, I understand this is becoming commonplace. If the train stopped unexpectedly at Birchwood, as the other forumer suggests, it would also imply that passengers earlier on in the route are now abandoning the train entirely.

Train usage in greater Manchester is much lower than in the Liverpool area, how a two carriage train copes between Manchester and wilmslow will give no clue as to the loadings west of there.
 
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