And every airline, anywhere, ever, if you turn up late for boarding.
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And every airline, anywhere, ever, if you turn up late for boarding.
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But there aren't too many people upstairs so it shouldn't be a problem, but you'll get to hear all the cabin crew gossip though!
Tetchytyke
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What's happening out of the Isle of Man will probably expand across the network. Ronaldsway is losing the Heathrow flight, the Flybe base is closing, and the Liverpool and Manchester flights are switching to Stobart Air and their ATR72s.
To be fair, we get that already with Flybe's aggressive enforcement of their hand baggage rules.
Didn't realise Flybe were turning people away rather than charging the advertised baggage fee. Haven't witnessed that myself yet.
Tetchytyke
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Not judging by the disgusting spectacle I witnessed at Belfast City last month. "Pay our extortionate and unreasonable fee or go home" is the same as Virgin gateline staff!
If the fee being demanded is the one advertised in advance for the size of luggage carried it is very different to the gateline line staff refusing access to someone holding an off peak ticket valid on that train unless they buy/excess to a higher priced ticket. If Flybe are demanding more than the advertised fee, then I agree it is the same.
Whether the Flybe luggage fee is extortionate/unreasonable is a different matter. If someone feels the advertised charge is more than they are prepared to pay their choice must be to adapt their travel plans accordingly.
Whether the Flybe luggage fee is extortionate/unreasonable is a different matter. If someone feels the advertised charge is more than they are prepared to pay their choice must be to adapt their travel plans accordingly.
Bletchleyite
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I don't think there's much risk of the Virgin Euston issue on a flight, as your boarding card says that specific flight. I've not heard of anyone being refused access to the booked train on an Advance at Euston. The airline version is surely suggesting a visa is needed when it isn't...
Butts
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The problem with the Flybe "gate baggage checks" is that they seem to be very sporadic.
Sometimes the sizer is used at the gate on every bag to check untagged (from check in) items that may be near the limit.
However on other occassions it is not and everyone is waved through. They do send an e-mail prior to your flight advising of the precise dimensions permitted.
I believe the fee has been reduced from an initial £50 to £35 now - still extortion but avoidable !!
Sometimes the sizer is used at the gate on every bag to check untagged (from check in) items that may be near the limit.
However on other occassions it is not and everyone is waved through. They do send an e-mail prior to your flight advising of the precise dimensions permitted.
I believe the fee has been reduced from an initial £50 to £35 now - still extortion but avoidable !!
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Yes £35 at the airport, £25 if added online.
Bletchleyite
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Or you could bring a bag that is of the specified dimensions (which are smaller than other airlines due to the small bins on Dash-8s, but are hardly a state secret) and not be charged the fee.
This is nothing like VTWC's Euston barrier staff, who are refusing totally valid tickets where the passenger has not breached any condition, advertised or otherwise.
Tetchytyke
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The person, a man in his 60s, I saw being charged £50 had a Flybe approved tag on his bag, attached on a previous flight, and fit into the sizer on both width and depth, sticking out of the top by a couple of cm. To all intents and purposes, the bag fit. But no, out came the card reader and the attitude.
Oddly the stag do lads didn't get their bags checked. Funny that!
People have, which is why Flybe were days from going bust, and why Easyjet are knocking them out of the park on regional domestic flights.
My bag was within the permitted dimensions- and it was a challenge to find a bag that did meet them, I can say that for nowt- but it'll make me think twice about Flybe. They clearly can't be trusted. I'm certainly in no rush to take the purple permitted tag off my bag.
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cactustwirly
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I bet easyJet are cheaper as well
I'd take a modern A320 over a crappy little Dash plane any day of the week!
Butts
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They still have a few Embraers knocking about which knock spots off an A320 - and there is no danger of being "piggy in the middle"
Easyjet don't fly between Glasgow / Edinburgh and Birmingham at the moment.
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Indeed easyjet don't cover many of the flybe routes and the flybe jets are the best short haul jets I have ever flown on. Think the 195s are about to go though.
Easyjet and Flybe are barely competitors at all; they're flying different categories of aircraft on different routes. Indeed, Easyjet are even ditching their A319s and converting A320neo into A321neo orders to increase capacity. Flybe on the other hand are clearly downsizing in aircraft terms, getting rid of the E195s.
The chances of Easyjet taking up Birmingham to either Edinburgh or Glasgow as a route are very low.
The chances of Easyjet taking up Birmingham to either Edinburgh or Glasgow as a route are very low.
Bletchleyite
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I always thought Sleasy's choice of A319s over A320s was very odd. They both require 4 cabin crew (a significant cost) - the 319 gaining only I think 6 seats over the 737s but requiring the fourth member (I think 149 is the most you can have on board with 3). Ryanair proved quite well that the longer aircraft (737-800, about the same size as the A320) worked well for them - so why not Sleasy?
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Much more likely loganair with their rapid expansion at the moment
darloscott
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You sure? Glasgow to Birmingham starts March 29th twice a day which is bookable, and Edinburgh is reported (though not available for booking yet?) to start on the same day.
Their order of 319s was 17 years ago, when the airline carried c 10 m passengers a year, compared to nearly 100m now. All orders since then have been A320/1s.
AIUI they got a cracking deal on the A319s, which are supposedly cheaper to operate than the 737s.
scotrail158713
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Yeah. I hope their expansion works well. It would be a shame to see them go if it goes horribly wrong.
Tetchytyke
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EasyJet start Glasgow to Birmingham in March 2020.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...ow-flybe-virgin-atlantic-trains-a9057151.html
Domestically they are competitors. Flybe are closing their base on the Isle of Man- previously one of their stronger markets- because EasyJet have muscled in. EasyJet fly Ronaldsway-Liverpool several times a day with an A319, which has to be one of the shortest jet flights in Europe, as well as Gatwick, Luton, Bristol and Belfast.
EasyJet have a strong domestic hub out of Bristol, taking a lot of the south west traffic away; I've often found the EasyJet offering to be stronger than Flybe when heading that way.
Techniquest
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easyJet are coming to the Birmingham-Scotland routes? Interesting, I feel a mid-week spin coming up in the spring...
As for their Isle of Man to Liverpool route, I did that one on 19th August 2012. 89 miles according to FlightDiary. Coming back to Blackpool with Manx2 (as they were) was more exciting mind, 68 miles on a Let L410
As for their Isle of Man to Liverpool route, I did that one on 19th August 2012. 89 miles according to FlightDiary. Coming back to Blackpool with Manx2 (as they were) was more exciting mind, 68 miles on a Let L410
Tetchytyke
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I'll bet it was, it was usually pot luck whether the pilot knew where the airport they were flying to was.
Techniquest
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I obviously meant it was more exciting than the easyJet flight because it was something rather different. Never done another L410 nor anything quite as quirky since!
Bletchleyite
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Much better for passengers than Boeings too. Slightly wider cabin meaning (in EZY's case) a wider aisle, two exit rows rather than one (for the tall), bigger overhead bins (EZY increased their hand luggage size from "Ryanair size" to IATA size when the last Boeing went) and quieter inside. 737s are so old-fashioned and crude.
Regular user of Flybe out of Glasgow here. They are basically enforcing their own rules which they are entitled to do but I’ve failed to not see someone get charged on most flights I’ve taken with them recently. I’m bored of having to be constantly pulled aside for bag testing with staff eagerly waiting with a card machine in their hands.
I really like Loganair, I haven’t found them much more expensive than Flybe and yet their fares include checked in baggage, a tea and wafer on board and a smile. Top marks! Also I like their Embraers and Saabs find the seats better than the Flybe Dash. I am quite glad they are going to be taking over quite a few Flybe routes out of Glasgow to England, I understand with their blessing too as you will be able to book them via the Flybe website as well.
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YorkshireBear
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Indeed. Their ERJ145s are an absolute pleasure to fly in. They are getting in some ATR props and withdrawing all their saabs over the next year I believe. The saab2000s are pretty much done with already I think.
I'm looking at exploring the hebridies and hopefully will use loganair for a lot of it!
Peter Mugridge
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Apparently Emirates had an A380 fall off the jacks while under maintenance a couple of months ago; presumably that is unlikely to be repaired? If that is the case, would it be the first A380 hull loss?
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I flew FlyBe this weekend and they were being pretty generous, still allowing people on with bags if the wheels were protruding and if they were ever so slightly wide, they only made one passenger pay whose bag was grossly oversized, in fact another passenger had to take his bag off again after boarding because it wouldnt fit despite an approved tag (they just threw it into the hold).
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