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West Hampstead PSB - 40 Years Old Today!

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Trackman_DY

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I thought I would pipe up with my first post on the Forum!

I use the Midland Main Line every 2-3 weeks to visit family and friends either south of Derby (Bedford and Luton) or north of Derby (Chesterfield and Sheffield).

I prefer to travel by train as it saves me having to drive which I hope most on the Forum would agree that there is little pleasure in motoring these days especially during the daytime.

On a very recent journey, a gentleman sat opposite me at my table and got out some railway magazines.

I commented that he was like me interested in railways.

The guy said that he used to work for the railway but had retired a few years ago after some 45 years of service which was much the same as my career.

Conversation turned to the MML Electrification and the MML in general.

The guy said that 40 years ago, he was on S&T New Works and had been in right at the start of the West Hampstead PSB scheme.

PSB is Power Signal Box and is a term that was much used by BR back in the day.

He said that WH PSB was actually coming up to its 40th birthday and quoted the dates entirely from memory.

He even brought up on his smartphone the actual BR Notice that was issued for Stage 1.

I had to write the details down as the old memory these days isn't as good as it used to be.

Apparently, Stage 1 was commissioned over the weekend of Saturday 20th October to Sunday 21st October 1979.

This involved bringing Harpenden Interlocking and Luton Interlocking into use and resulted in the closure of Harpenden Station, Harpenden Junuction, Luton South and Luton North signal boxes with new fringe signal boxes at St. Albans South and Leagrave.

St. Albans South would only last for 6 weeks when it too wuold be closed under Stage 2.

The guy also said that he had a press release from when the scheme was announced by the London Midland Region back in 1976 and from his memory, he said that the cost of WH PSB was just £8.7 million pounds.

That would seem to be a bargain today.

I don't know if any staff at WH PSB are aware of significance of today's date but I always found that staff were most knowledgeable on all sorts of things and I hope that some of the enthusiasts there would have pencilled in the date.

I hope that WH PSB will make it to 45 years but with the re-signalling plans proposed for the MML in the future it most likely will not make it to 50 years.

There was a comment on another thread that WH PSB was an excellent scheme for its time and I am sure that the railway has over the years more than had its money's worth out of the installation.

We always thought that Westinghouse was top notch equipment and most of the original equipment is still in use today.

So well done WH PSB for 40 years of service and safety!
 
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Great first post.
As someone who worked in a very small way on the Midland Suburban Electriifcation project (and associated route modernisation and re-signalling) in the 1970s at the start of my career I agree that West Hampstead was an excellent project. I was happy to commute through its area for around 20 years.
Happy Birthday.
 
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We at St Albans South box are well aware of West Hampstead PSB as it was that that closed the box for signalling purposes on the evening of the 2nd of December 1979. The box remained in use into 1980 for several months for the station announcer, who was also based in the box. We are hoping to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the box's final closure next year.

Regarding the fringing to Harpenden's interlocking, the original 1970 diagram which we now have in our possession was heavily modified at the Harpenden end to cater for the fringe working.

We were told about 5 years ago that West Hampstead was supposed to be closing shortly, but it still carries on!

I wonder if the gentleman you spoke with is someone known to us (or even a member)? :lol:
 

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Congrats to West Hampstead. ♥♥♥

Er.. can I get a few greens tomorrow please.
 

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In the 1970’s/1980’s one of my routes to work at GEC-General Signal at Borehamwood from St Albans was on the Bed-Pan. It was a bit of an irony that the local firm didn’t provide the signalling, but at the time we were working on the larger Victoria Area Resignalling, and under the Allocated Contracts procedure, West Hampstead was ‘allocated’ to Westinghouse. As it happens their Resident Engineer Maurice Hicks joined GEC when Bed-Pan was completed, using his contacts we had a quick visit to West Hampstead, you can always learn from how others do the job.
 

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Happy Birthday WH!

One of the better ‘boxes, it’s a rare day the bobbies aren’t on the ball.

That would seem to be a bargain today.

It does seem a bargain... but a few things have changed significantly:

1) the amount of additional kit now involved in a Resignalling, eg TPWS, track warning systems, Balises, more secure cable routes, radio systems, etc

2) the quantity of prep work required for testing and commissioning (following some high profile accidents, notably Clapham and Newton)

3) the additional testing and commissioning required

4) very, very different accounting. For example, much of the design would have been counted as an overhead and not attributed to the project. Any ‘labour’ work (installing troughing, or digging foundations) would have been counted in the Civil Engineers budget. The cost of delivering material to site by train would have bEen an overhead. The revenue lost when trains were suspended during installation and commissions went against BR revenue rather than the project. And so on.

And that’s, obviously, before 40 years inflation which is approximately 400% in that time. (ie £1 then is worth about £5 now).
 

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Isn't part of West Hampstead area now controlled by Three Bridges?

Part of the MML is controlled by Three Bridges ROC, yes, namely St Pancras High Level to Dock Jn, and Farringdon to (not quite) Kentish Town on the Moorgate lines.
 

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Part of the MML is controlled by Three Bridges ROC, yes, namely St Pancras High Level to Dock Jn, and Farringdon to (not quite) Kentish Town on the Moorgate lines.
Every time we've been told of a changer of date for the closure of West Hampstead PSB, the change-over boundary between Three Bridges ROC and the East Midlands ROC at Derby has also been altered. Anyone any further up-to-date information on NR's intentions?
 

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One of the better ‘boxes, it’s a rare day the bobbies aren’t on the ball.

Quite fitting that today was my first Safety broadcast (broken ESR at Radlet) done correctly (as per the script) Nicely done West Hampsted !
 

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Every time we've been told of a changer of date for the closure of West Hampstead PSB, the change-over boundary between Three Bridges ROC and the East Midlands ROC at Derby has also been altered. Anyone any further up-to-date information on NR's intentions?

I don’t know the latest about either the date or the boundary, sorry.

Quite fitting that today was my first Safety broadcast (broken ESR at Radlet) done correctly (as per the script) Nicely done West Hampsted !

That ESR has bee no end of trouble today!
 

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No need to apologise! What's an ESR, please?
Emergency Speed Restriction. At Radlett, but fixed overnight. However a broken rail at Hendon this morning causing further issues. The WH Bobbies have earned their corn this week.
 

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Great first post.
As someone who worked in a very small way on the Midland Suburban Electriifcation project (and associated route modernisation and re-signalling) in the 1970s at the start of my career I agree that West Hampstead was an excellent project. I was happy to commute through its area for around 20 years.
Happy Birthday.
I worked for an electronics company involved with the radios that were commissioned in this box at the start
Much mirth was had when the company put in all the cabling over a week end and subsequently The union rep insisted that it all be ripped out so BR's people could reinstall it again.
I was also later able to pull the signal for the Flying Scotsman to depart one day when working in Kings Cross box
 
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