SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

pompeyfan · 19 Oct 2019

TEW said:
Tip up seats is a bit better than the planned 4 seats with table at least, it still allows the area to be used flexibly. You see people trying to store luggage and buggies in the current cycle storage area, which is not very easy.

personally I find tip up seats provide more confrontation, not less.

I’ve said before that ideally without interference from DfT that SWR would remove 1 row of seats in each coach of a 444 to provide space for large luggage, which would hopefully encourage people not to put bags on seats.

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swt_passenger · 19 Oct 2019

TEW said:
Tip up seats is a bit better than the planned 4 seats with table at least, it still allows the area to be used flexibly. You see people trying to store luggage and buggies in the current cycle storage area, which is not very easy.

I think the problem they never thought through originally is the nature of the space is that it’s not really part of the main seating area of the coach, being beyond the vestibule doors, and next to the toilet as well. Flip down seats are a much better compromise, but if they are going to do one bike space they might as well do both surely?

The Ham · 20 Oct 2019

moley said:
Because the government has this polarised idea that cyclists will cycle to the station, leave their bike then pick up another bike at the other end of their train journey. Gone are the days you could pack 20+ bikes in a Mk1.

In a lot of cases this doesn’t happen. it’s a failing of the franchise system that the Desiro refurbishment program had to include this provision on the basis of seat capacity - very London centric.

Thankfully the refurbishment program has so far ignore this change although maybe we are now seeing it in action.

The problem is that there's not been the required increase in cycle parking at stations either, yes there's been some and there's been some large schemes at some stations.

However this also had to be seen alongside the increase in the numbers of passengers and those cycling which means more needs to be provided than had been just to keep up with demand even before you require cyclists not to take their cycles on the train.

The Ham · 20 Oct 2019

swt_passenger said:
I think the problem they never thought through originally is the nature of the space is that it’s not really part of the main seating area of the coach, being beyond the vestibule doors, and next to the toilet as well. Flip down seats are a much better compromise, but if they are going to do one bike space they might as well do both surely?

By not doing it for both it does at least mean that there's a dedicated cycle area, so that there should (in theory at least) be less arguments about what goes there. In that you don't get one buggy sat in each area therefore blocking any cycles from using the sides (as a parent would more likely head to an area where they can sit than they can't sit, especially if they have other older children who also need to sit).

Dan15812 · 23 Oct 2019

A 159 has made the journey to Loughbrough today!

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O50842/2019-10-23/detailed

SWRtrain_fan · 23 Oct 2019

Dan15812 said:
A 159 has made the journey to Loughbrough today!

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O50842/2019-10-23/detailed

It's 159021.

Dan15812 · 23 Oct 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
It's 159021.

Thank you!

TEW · 26 Oct 2019

On 444026, which is a recent refurb, and it has two tip up seats installed in both cycle areas. Can foresee plenty of arguments about those.

WVL14 · 26 Oct 2019

Desiro refurbishment update:
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444s:
444026 (unit 41) in 12-10-19, out 19-10-19
444017 (unit 42) in 19-10-19, out 24-10-19
444031 (unit 43) in 24-10-19, on hand
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This leaves just two 444s to go. The next one is due to go to Eastleigh in the early hours of 28-10-19.
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450s:
450109 (unit 93) in 13-10-19, out 17-10-19
450021 (unit 94) in 15-10-19, out 21-10-19
450028 (unit 95) in 17-10-19, out 21-10-19
450014 (unit 96) in 21-10-19, out 25-10-19
450022 (unit 97) in 21-10-19, out 26-10-19
450029 (unit 98) in 25-10-19, on hand
450099 (unit 99) in 26-10-19, on hand
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Just one more 'standard' 450/0 to go which is 450074. This should go to Eastleigh on 29-10-19.
Work then starts on the remaining 27 former HC 450/5 units.
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SWRtrain_fan · 26 Oct 2019

Non-refurbished 444s:

018 and 037(2 units)

The other 43 444s are refurbished. (96% complete)

Non-refurbished 450s:

Units 544-570 (27 units)

The other 100 450s are fully refurbished. (79% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

SWRtrain_fan · 26 Oct 2019

WVL14 said:
Desiro refurbishment update:
.
444s:
444026 (unit 41) in 12-10-19, out 19-10-19
444017 (unit 42) in 19-10-19, out 24-10-19
444031 (unit 43) in 24-10-19, on hand
.
This leaves just two 444s to go. The next one is due to go to Eastleigh in the early hours of 28-10-19.
.
450s:
450109 (unit 93) in 13-10-19, out 17-10-19
450021 (unit 94) in 15-10-19, out 21-10-19
450028 (unit 95) in 17-10-19, out 21-10-19
450014 (unit 96) in 21-10-19, out 25-10-19
450022 (unit 97) in 21-10-19, out 26-10-19
450029 (unit 98) in 25-10-19, on hand
450099 (unit 99) in 26-10-19, on hand
.
Just one more 'standard' 450/0 to go which is 450074. This should go to Eastleigh on 29-10-19.
Work then starts on the remaining 27 former HC 450/5 units.
.

Thanks a lot!

Chris172 · 26 Oct 2019

WVL14 said:
Desiro refurbishment update:
.
444s:
444026 (unit 41) in 12-10-19, out 19-10-19
444017 (unit 42) in 19-10-19, out 24-10-19
444031 (unit 43) in 24-10-19, on hand
.
This leaves just two 444s to go. The next one is due to go to Eastleigh in the early hours of 28-10-19.
.
450s:
450109 (unit 93) in 13-10-19, out 17-10-19
450021 (unit 94) in 15-10-19, out 21-10-19
450028 (unit 95) in 17-10-19, out 21-10-19
450014 (unit 96) in 21-10-19, out 25-10-19
450022 (unit 97) in 21-10-19, out 26-10-19
450029 (unit 98) in 25-10-19, on hand
450099 (unit 99) in 26-10-19, on hand
.
Just one more 'standard' 450/0 to go which is 450074. This should go to Eastleigh on 29-10-19.
Work then starts on the remaining 27 former HC 450/5 units.
.

Are the 444/450s getting relivered?

Bigfoot · 26 Oct 2019

Chris172 said:
Are the 444/450s getting relivered?

They are being relivered. If they weren't what stock would be used on the network.

With regard to re-livery yes. There's been plenty of posts stating this.

Dan15812 · 26 Oct 2019

TEW said:
On 444026, which is a recent refurb, and it has two tip up seats installed in both cycle areas. Can foresee plenty of arguments about those.

Will all 444's receive these?

Dan15812 · 26 Oct 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
Non-refurbished 444s:

018, 031* and 037(3 units)

The other 42 444s are refurbished. (93% complete)

Non-refurbished & partially-refurbished 450s:

Units 544-570 and
074*(1 partially refurbished)(27 non-refurbished)

The other 99 450s are fully refurbished. (78% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Thanks for the update

Train Boy · 27 Oct 2019

444006 and 450036 will be the first two of each class to receive the new and amended livery, i.e. no stripes.

pompeyfan · 27 Oct 2019

Train Boy said:
444006 and 450036 will be the first two of each class to receive the new and amended livery, i.e. no stripes.

many idea when and where this work will take place?

Train Boy · 27 Oct 2019

pompeyfan said:
many idea when and where this work will take place?

Bournemouth, 450036 is in there at present awaiting work I believe. 444006 is in progress.

swt_passenger · 27 Oct 2019

Dan15812 said:
Will all 444's receive these?

[tip-up seats in both bike areas?]
I’d say probably yes, unless it’s just a trial so that SWR can prove why not to do it.
Otherwise it seems to be an alternative way of meeting the exact standard class seating capacity declared for the 444s in the franchise agreement.

SWRtrain_fan · 27 Oct 2019

Train Boy said:
444006 and 450036 will be the first two of each class to receive the new and amended livery, i.e. no stripes.

Great! The Desiros really do need a repaint at this time, especially the 444s.

Dan15812 · 27 Oct 2019

Train Boy said:
Bournemouth, 450036 is in there at present awaiting work I believe. 444006 is in progress.

Exciting times ahead!

pompeyfan · 27 Oct 2019

swt_passenger said:
[tip-up seats in both bike areas?]
I’d say probably yes, unless it’s just a trial so that SWR can prove why not to do it.
Otherwise it seems to be an alternative way of meeting the exact standard class seating capacity declared for the 444s in the franchise agreement.

If it were an evidence gathering thing I’d have expected a staff briefing to go out asking for reports, I’m not aware of any yet.

SWRtrain_fan said:
Great! The Desiros really do need a repaint at this time, especially the 444s.

personally I think the 158 sunflower livery would have been nicer!

WVL14 · 27 Oct 2019

Dan15812 said:
Exciting times ahead!

.
Indeed. 444006 went to Bournemouth 15-9-19 and 450036 went there 20-10-19.
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387star · 27 Oct 2019

WVL14 said:
.
Indeed. 444006 went to Bournemouth 15-9-19 and 450036 went there 20-10-19.
.

About time

swt_passenger · 27 Oct 2019

pompeyfan said:
If it were an evidence gathering thing I’d have expected a staff briefing to go out asking for reports, I’m not aware of any yet.

Yes, I was really suggesting a possible straw to clutch at, it seems far more likely to be permanent.

43096 · 27 Oct 2019

Dan15812 said:
Exciting times ahead!

I’d hardly describe it as exciting - it’s a coat of paint. It won’t change SWR’s poor service delivery.

ABDeltic · 27 Oct 2019

SWRtrain_fan said:
It's 159021.

With only 159022 to be refurbished at Loughborough, does anyone know if the 159/1's are being done next?

43096 · 27 Oct 2019

ABDeltic said:
With only 159022 to be refurbished at Loughborough, does anyone know if the 159/1's are being done next?

The 159/1s went through the programme (which is essentially a C6+mods) first in SWT’s time.

Dan15812 · 2 Nov 2019

Could someone give us an update on the refurb?
Now the 444's are nearing completion, I suppose it's full swing on the former HC units.

SWRtrain_fan · 3 Nov 2019

Refurbished ex-450/5s

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