LNR new WCML timetable, May 2019 (in open data feeds)

Tuppenny Tube · 2 Oct 2019

bionic said:
If I lived in Stone I don't think I would be able to rely on the current service to get me to work or place of education or any other kind of commitment. Theres one train an hour and if that's cancelled or late then you have real problems.

The same problem would seem to apply to all of the stations north of Wolverhampton that are served only by LNR, in fact Stone is slightly better than some in punctuality terms but is slightly worse in reliability.

Some stats' for northbound journeys for the last six weeks, taken from Recent Train Times:

Penkridge Stone Winsford Hartford Acton Bridge
Right Time arrivals % 19.77 20.26 19.90 21.68 29.29
Within 5 minutes % 60.48 63.16 53.42 56.87 61.39
% Ran 94.32 91.81 92.94 94.16 92.65

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E6007 · 3 Oct 2019

Silverlinky said:
Back in the day it was virgins 1-7 and 12-15 with 16 and 18 shared with LM who used 8, 10, 11 and 17 with the DC on 9.
With LM and now LNW running many more services they pretty much use any platform, as well as the fact 17 and 18 have gone.
HS2 work would have seen all LNW services move to 1-7 with virgin taking 8-16 and the DC moved out temporarily. Voyagers would have used 9 and 10 in 5 car formation only. Work was done on 11 to accommodate 11 car pendos.
This would have seen the high platforms get access to the fast line easily and the low platforms go out on the slows after removal of line X.
However I think we are on draft number 57 now and things always change.
Anything departing via Line X to the fast at present has to maintain a lower speed meaning valuable seconds are lost.

This HS2 plan is out of date. Although the whole scheme is being reviewed and therefore subject to change, the latest plan is still for 6 lines to feed 13 (or 15) platforms.

Currently we have:

Lines A and X (FL) serving the low side, generally platforms 1 to 7 but can also cover 8 to 11
Lines B and C (SL and DC) serving the middle, generally 8 to 11 but can cover 1 to 14
Lines D and E (FL) serving the high side, generally 12 to 16 but can cover 8 to 11 as well

See https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/lec1

RealTrains07 · 5 Oct 2019

If anything else needs changing with the december timetable. The service frequency needs flattening out so its even and more services can be provided. They did promise more evening services didnt they??

RealTrains07 · 12 Oct 2019

Problem with the splitting and joining especially when delays happen is both parts rely on eachother too much and disrupt the service as a result

iam sure if crewe and rugeley splitter wasnt a thing then both would actually run better even during incidents like today

87015 · 28 Oct 2019

Pages of cancellations today and expected to be the same all week.

Bletchleyite · 28 Oct 2019

87015 said:
Pages of cancellations today and expected to be the same all week.

My policy of claiming any and all Delay Repay I can to give them a whack continues, then

xydancer · 28 Oct 2019

Is there somewhere on-line these are all published? I can't see anything on the LNWR website.

Bletchleyite · 28 Oct 2019

xydancer said:
Is there somewhere on-line these are all published? I can't see anything on the LNWR website.

They just cancel almost randomly based on stuff running late, so check RTT. There are no planned cancellations. Maybe there should be.

87015 · 28 Oct 2019

Bletchleyite said:
They just cancel almost randomly based on stuff running late, so check RTT. There are no planned cancellations. Maybe there should be.

Not at all, they have a severe shortage of traincrew
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/234173.aspx

Bletchleyite · 28 Oct 2019

87015 said:
Not at all, they have a severe shortage of traincrew
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/234173.aspx

So worse than the usual severe shortage of timetable planning competence, then. They really are the pits, even compared to the likes of GTR (who at least understand that simplification, not complication, is the way to go). An awful TOC.

I suppose us south-WCML-ers had had it good for too long!

martinsh · 28 Oct 2019

87015 said:
Not at all, they have a severe shortage of traincrew

And it just happens to be half-term ....

Bletchleyite · 28 Oct 2019

martinsh said:
And it just happens to be half-term ....

Funny, that. Firmly in the bracket of "management and planning incompetence" again, then, just like the whole rest of the debacle.

In a way it's surprising as a London commuter TOC that it's gone on so long without the Press hauling them over the coals in the manner of GTR's bad period a while ago. Maybe it's just Brexit masking it...

Merle Haggard · 28 Oct 2019

According to O. T. T. , 21 trains through Northampton have been cancelled today, plus one pined here. On the LNR travel update, the nearest replacement offers a minibus shuttling between Wolverton & Milton Keynes. Ticket acceptance by Virgin is also shown; I guess that means we'll have to hang around for the 06.41 Euston tomorrow morning.
In the days of London Midland their website did list train cancellations but I can't find a similar list on LNR's. Is there one?

sd0733 · 28 Oct 2019

Bletchleyite said:
In a way it's surprising as a London commuter TOC that it's gone on so long without the Press hauling them over the coals in the manner of GTR's bad period a while ago. Maybe it's just Brexit masking it...

I think you're right there, at any other point in time the media would be all over them but theyve got bigger headlines at the moment.
All routes across WM and LNR seem to be in absolute meltdown today. I spoke to an ex colleague earlier at WM and there are over 100 cancellations already tomorrow too.

RealTrains07 · 28 Oct 2019

87015 said:
Not at all, they have a severe shortage of traincrew
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/234173.aspx

As always! and yet the media doesnt cover it unlike northern and GTR

Baxenden Bank · 28 Oct 2019

They achieved a spectacular one train in a ten hour period northbound at Stone today.
0655 then 1205 (at 1220) then 1704.

Southbound most services ran, just two cancellations.

E6007 · 29 Oct 2019

87015 said:
Pages of cancellations today and expected to be the same all week.

LNR web site showing no cancellations for today. Let's see what really happens!

Bletchleyite · 29 Oct 2019

E6007 said:
LNR web site showing no cancellations for today. Let's see what really happens!

They will I guess be operating a "normal service", i.e. one that bears no resemblence to the work of fiction that is the timetable, in so far as they can be bothered to publish it (there's still no single book or leaflet covering all stations of a service from New St to Euston).

sufian123 · 29 Oct 2019

Watford junction wires have being damaged. New day new excuse?

Bletchleyite · 29 Oct 2019

sufian123 said:
Watford junction wires have being damaged. New day new excuse?

Not really their fault, but as per usual the complex timetable will mean the service doesn't recover until tomorrow. If it was a simple service with each circuit self-contained as per (it seems) Thameslink, it could be "reset" with a few cancellations in an hour or two to ensure it would all be where it should be by the evening peak, and this was often done in the days of the service being more self-contained, and even more easily done when south WCML commuter services didn't go past Northampton (not that I'm advocating a return to this - but I am advocating a return to the Brum split and having any given unit/crew only work Euston-Brum or Euston-Crewe or Euston-Tring/Bletchley/MKC diagrams on any given service day).

Nick Leverton · 29 Oct 2019

sufian123 said:
Watford junction wires have being damaged. New day new excuse?

and points failure at Wolverhampton ... though they don't really need the infrastructure excuses or the staffing excuses, the timetable collapses all by itself from the knock-on effects if anything is more than 30 seconds delayed anywhere on the WCML.

87015 · 29 Oct 2019

Watford a 319 fault, Canley a 350 fault on first reports...

87015 · 29 Oct 2019

E6007 said:
LNR web site showing no cancellations for today. Let's see what really happens!

That’ll be because the info controller desk is uncovered half the time too!!

RealTrains07 · 29 Oct 2019

Day 2 of birmingham issues!

Even if services were split up again they would still suffer from issues in Birmingham. Thats a given

Bletchleyite · 29 Oct 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Day 2 of birmingham issues!

Even if services were split up again they would still suffer from issues in Birmingham. Thats a given

They would recover much more quickly as they used to. It's not that the new timetable hits issues, it's that it's unrecoverable.

RailWonderer · 29 Oct 2019

Damage to OHLE at Coseley, missed my VT connection, LNR f**ked us all again. I’m seriously at the end of my tether with this hot mess of a timetable. Their reliability is abysmal and they can’t not revert to the old timetable or something like it in December or May next year without a PR and passenger crisis.
I know complaints are best left for twitter or to keep to yourself and you don’t want to hear that on RailForums but anyone who believes this can keep on going is insane.

Can I claim delay repay with a through ticket?

Then you have some stations that don’t have waiting rooms, you’re sat freezing in the dark for nearly an hour!
I starved today and am seriously annoyed. This isn’t just me.

Bletchleyite · 29 Oct 2019

RailWonderer said:
Can I claim delay repay with a through ticket?

You can claim Delay Repay for your complete journey with any ticket or combination thereof. It's based on the delay to your complete journey, not part of it. You claim from the TOC who first delayed you, even if another TOC made you more delayed afterwards.

pt_mad · 29 Oct 2019

RailWonderer said:
but anyone who believes this can keep on going is insane.

Can I claim delay repay with a through ticket?

Then you have some stations that don’t have waiting rooms, you’re sat freezing in the dark for nearly an hour!
I starved today and am seriously annoyed. This isn’t just me.

Surely the only people who can stop what you describe are the DFT?

Baxenden Bank · 29 Oct 2019

RailWonderer said:
Then you have some stations that don’t have waiting rooms, you’re sat freezing in the dark for nearly an hour!

Try the service via Stone.
SIX hour gap in service southbound today, SEVEN hour gap (and still counting) northbound.
And it doesn't even merit a mention on the LNW or NRE websites. You just get 'delayed' then 'cancelled', Hour, after hour, after hour. Day, after day, after day.

RailWonderer · 29 Oct 2019

Baxenden Bank said:
Try the service via Stone.
SIX hour gap in service southbound today, SEVEN hour gap (and still counting) northbound.
And it doesn't even merit a mention on the LNW or NRE websites. You just get 'delayed' then 'cancelled', Hour, after hour, after hour. Day, after day, after day.

Well some do always have it worse.
I’m one of those that’s into having my cake and eating it (but I’m not a hard Brexiteer either) I sat in VT declassified first and claimed delay repay.

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