TfW Class 170's

PaulHarding150 · 31 Oct 2019

1) Don’t believe what you read on Facebook.

2) Depending on how you define it - Maesteg could easily be the Western Valley Line.

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Nick Ashwell · 31 Oct 2019

PaulHarding150 said:
1) Don’t believe what you read on Facebook.

2) Depending on how you define it - Maesteg could easily be the Western Valley Line.

1) I didn't say I believed it, in fact I queried it.
2) We usually refer to them as a Maesteg - Cheltenham route rather than a Valleys service (Yes I know one goes to Ebbw Vale and not all are through trains)

PHILIPE · 31 Oct 2019

The Western Valley is historically rail wise the route to Ebbw Vale and the Eastern Valley going up from Llantarnam and Pontypool. They are merely the Gwent Valleys rather than the whole of South Wale.

Nick Ashwell · 31 Oct 2019

PHILIPE said:
The Western Valley is historically rail wise the route to Ebbw Vale and the Eastern Valley going up from Llantarnam and Pontypool. They are merely the Gwent Valleys rather than the whole of South Wale.

That makes much more sense however the Ebbw Vale route isn't what I'd call the Western Gwent valley considering north of Cardiff the Rhymney route is in the Gwent valleys. That being said I understand the logic in referring to the Ebbw Vale route as such.

Are we expecting a change in the timings of certain services to use 158/170 timings in place of pathing the services to 14x timings to better utilize the speed available or will they keep the existing timings in place due to the chance of 150s turning up on the route?

anamyd · 31 Oct 2019

I'm just interested in when the next delivery run is :lol:

PHILIPE · 31 Oct 2019

Nick Ashwell said:
That makes much more sense however the Ebbw Vale route isn't what I'd call the Western Gwent valley considering north of Cardiff the Rhymney route is in the Gwent valleys. That being said I understand the logic in referring to the Ebbw Vale route as such.

Are we expecting a change in the timings of certain services to use 158/170 timings in place of pathing the services to 14x timings to better utilize the speed available or will they keep the existing timings in place due to the chance of 150s turning up on the route?

Historically, The Western and Eastern Valleys extended north from Newport and these would have been in the old Monmouthshire. The Rhymney Valley was in Glamorgan before boundary changes, Gwent only being formed in 1974. I should think the timings would be kept as a standard one for the route at 75mph.

TheEdge · 31 Oct 2019

anamyd said:
I'm just interested in when the next delivery run is

Check RTT using Wymondham for anything with Cardiff as the destination. If you find anything it can ONLY be a 170 delivery

Gwenllian2001 · 31 Oct 2019

PHILIPE said:
The Western Valley is historically rail wise the route to Ebbw Vale and the Eastern Valley going up from Llantarnam and Pontypool. They are merely the Gwent Valleys rather than the whole of South Wale.

You are quite correct. The route from Risca to Ebbw Vale was always known as the Western Valley and Risca on to Nine Mile Point and Tredegar etc. Is the Sirhowy Valley.

Icky Qualms · 1 Nov 2019

Class 170 201 still in service on GA today

Icky Qualms · 1 Nov 2019

and 170 202 going the other way

NewSt · 1 Nov 2019

Icky Qualms said:
Class 170 201 still in service on GA today

And must be one of the last to still have GA branding, as well as 202.

Cardiff123 · 1 Nov 2019

In recent media/press releases about TfW having to keep Pacers in service into 2020 due to late arrival of the 769s and 230s, Porterbrook have said that:

"we have accelerated delivery of our Class 170 units and are also supplying additional trains to cover for the Class 769s and provide support to TfW and their passengers.”

As 170s are still in service with GA, there doesn't seem to be much acceleration of delieveries going on to TfW.

https://news.tfwrail.wales/news/extra-capacity-and-improved-trains-for-rail-passengers-in-wales

anamyd · 1 Nov 2019

NewSt said:
And must be one of the last to still have GA branding, as well as 202.

From what I know:

170271/273, 170201/202/206/208 - still with GA but debranded - "273" and "206" likely next two to transfer

170270/272, 170207 - with TfW and now TfW branded

170203/204/205 - with GA, still with GA branding or...?

anamyd · 1 Nov 2019

Cardiff123 said:
In recent media/press releases about TfW having to keep Pacers in service into 2020 due to late arrival of the 769s and 230s, Porterbrook have said that:

As 170s are still in service with GA, there doesn't seem to be much acceleration of delieveries going on to TfW.

https://news.tfwrail.wales/news/extra-capacity-and-improved-trains-for-rail-passengers-in-wales

I agree. Does anyone know if 170206 and 170273 are still waiting in that platform at Norwich station ready to transfer...?

Tomos y Tanc · 1 Nov 2019

PHILIPE said:
Historically, The Western and Eastern Valleys extended north from Newport and these would have been in the old Monmouthshire. The Rhymney Valley was in Glamorgan before boundary changes, Gwent only being formed in 1974.

It's even more complicated than that! Gwent was indeed formed as an official county in 1974 although Gwent is in fact one of the oldest regional names in Wales. It derives from the Latin Venta Siliriwm (Caerwent).

The Rhymney valley was in Mid Glamorgan though with Rhymney town itself moved from the old Monmouthshire into the new Mid Glam in 1974. We then come too the gloriously obscure "Preserved Counties (Amendment to Boundaries) (Wales) Order 2003" which aligned the preserved counties with current local authority boundaries. Hence the western half of Caerphilly county borough became part of the preserved Gwent. I'll get my anorak.

krus_aragon · 1 Nov 2019

And that's on top of the fact that the original 1826 Rumney (or "Old Rumney") Railway ran to Pye Corner, on the outskirts of Newport!

anamyd · 1 Nov 2019

TheEdge said:
Check RTT using Wymondham for anything with Cardiff as the destination. If you find anything it can ONLY be a 170 delivery

thanks

TheEdge · 1 Nov 2019

anamyd said:
I agree. Does anyone know if 170206 and 170273 are still waiting in that platform at Norwich station ready to transfer...?

170206 is sat by itself in the Jubilee sidings. 273 is not.

anamyd · 2 Nov 2019

TheEdge said:
170206 is sat by itself in the Jubilee sidings. 273 is not.

Thanks for the update

TT-ONR-NRN · 2 Nov 2019

TheEdge said:
170206 is sat by itself in the Jubilee sidings. 273 is not.

It’s in an absolutely sparkling, gleaming condition. The 755 parked next to it is, on the other hand, extremely grubby.

anamyd · 3 Nov 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
It’s in an absolutely sparkling, gleaming condition. The 755 parked next to it is, on the other hand, extremely grubby.

ironic in a way

anamyd · 3 Nov 2019

Where's this "acceleration" of GA to TfW 170 deliveries at...? I'm almost bored of waiting now :lol:

TheEdge · 4 Nov 2019

anamyd said:
Thanks for the update

I've just spotted 273 in Crown Point, assuming it's being made ready to move, soon... (tm)

Brissle Girl · 4 Nov 2019

anamyd said:
Where's this "acceleration" of GA to TfW 170 deliveries at...? I'm almost bored of waiting now

A watched pot never boils, eh?

Maybe TfW are more than happy not to receive most of the units until much closer to the timetable change, if all they are going to do is take up storage space. From what I can gather there’s little needs doing to them, and presumably they don’t need that many for crew training.

anamyd · 4 Nov 2019

Brissle Girl said:
A watched pot never boils, eh?

Maybe TfW are more than happy not to receive most of the units until much closer to the timetable change, if all they are going to do is take up storage space. From what I can gather there’s little needs doing to them, and presumably they don’t need that many for crew training.

Fair points!

anamyd · 4 Nov 2019

TheEdge said:
I've just spotted 273 in Crown Point, assuming it's being made ready to move, soon... (tm)

Aha! Thanks for that :lol:

anamyd · 6 Nov 2019

@Philip Roberts so is 170273 going to transfer soon then...? or 170206...? or even (shock horror) 170273 and 170206...?

Icky Qualms · 6 Nov 2019

The class755 Flirt thread mentions that 3 class 170's are going over to Wales this weekend but I have no idea whether that is accurate.
GA do have about 11 Flirts in service now though.

anamyd · 6 Nov 2019

Icky Qualms said:
The class755 Flirt thread mentions that 3 class 170's are going over to Wales this weekend but I have no idea whether that is accurate.
GA do have about 11 Flirts in service now though

if that's the case I'm looking forward to that a lot!

Nick Ashwell · 6 Nov 2019

As am I, part of me hopes they're transferred coupled together as I've only ever seen two 170s couplex

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