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SWR Strike Action: Strikes every day in December except 1st, 12th, 25th & 26th

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Ethano92

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I cant remember off hand if it's the Orr or raib, but you might want to check their recent recommendations. These will probably be incorporated into operating procedure going forward.

But I don't understand why specifically SWR. You don't need any extra tech for these recommendations to be inforced on other DOO stock. Why isn't this being done on Thameslink (or anywhere) if it will be done on SWR. That's my only question. If it is enforced then so be it, I'll admit then there's not really any time saving but why would it be enforced here but nowhere else?
 
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But I don't understand why specifically SWR. You don't need any extra tech for these recommendations to be inforced on other DOO stock. Why isn't this being done on Thameslink (or anywhere) if it will be done on SWR. That's my only question. If it is enforced then so be it, I'll admit then there's not really any time saving but why would it be enforced here but nowhere else?

The recommendation was recently madeto another operator involved in a trap and drag (I can't remember details at moment as it's late) as obviously swr don't have doo(p).at moment.
 

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Yes, the very unfortunate incident involving an elderly woman’s pet dog at Elstree & Borehamwood station about a year ago .
 

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2 seconds is ridiculous, it is actually a long long time in terms of how quickly you can look at things!
 

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I am sure I have read in a previous thread on here a while ago that SWT drivers already had DOO in their contracts, and had done since 1997? If that is correct would that not have transferred to SWR when the franchise changed?
Yes, it’s been pointed out many times in this and other threads. As many will already realise the inner suburban area was kitted out with platform mirrors that never got used. Presumably if ASLEF have already signed up for DOO then that might explain their relative silence...
 

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I don’t think anyone knows whether DRI signed drivers up too DOO-P or DOO-NP. Management say one thing, ASLEF reps say the other.
 

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I don’t think anyone knows whether DRI signed drivers up too DOO-P or DOO-NP. Management say one thing, ASLEF reps say the other.

I can’t see management winning that argument, even if the company tries to force the matter couldn't ASLEF argue drivers already do DOO (ECS), but door operation and dispatch are a separate issue requiring agreement?
 

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. As many will already realise the inner suburban area was kitted out with platform mirrors that never got used. Presumably if ASLEF have already signed up for DOO then that might explain their relative silence...
Yes i believe drivers lost (around £7) daily DOO allowance after rejecting an agreement to implement DOO in 1991, then SWT tried again & failed in 1998
 

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Some news today from the RMT,

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/members...-and-extension-of-doo-swr291019/?preview=true

To all SWR Guards, Commercial Guards and Train Drivers

Our Ref: BR2/0146

29th October 2019


MAJOR PROGRESS MADE IN TALKS


Dear Colleague,

Role of the Guard & Extension of DOO South Western Railways

Further to my email of 23rd October, I can advise you that following further negotiations with your representatives an agreement in principle has been reached with the company on dwell time performance as follows:-

1. Driver release Guard full control of dispatch. 4 bells across SWR fleet where possible to do so. Introduction of Method of Operation to be confirmed.

2. Agreed RMT/SWR continue discussions based upon achieving improved, performance safety and customer experience throughout introduction of 701’s.

3. Productivity for based upon improved performance to agreed targets.

SWR are working on the detailed proposal with their Executive Board on these principle points and, once formulated, a further meeting will take place with our negotiating team by Friday 1st November.

The National Executive Committee believe this could end the dispute with SWR but with the warning that we must remain focused and not allow the company to try and delay matters further. This is not a done deal.

As you are aware we sought discussions with ASLE&F at national level to consider the various proposals. Regrettably, ASLE&F has declined our request for discussions around the dispute and the National Executive Committee is obviously disappointed that they have taken this decision. The NEC has instructed me to remind SWR that we are part of the bargaining unit for Drivers.

This is obviously a major step forward in this dispute and hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel – and all due to your unwavering stand.

I will write to you again as soon as there is any further progress.

Yours sincerely,



Mick Cash
General Secretary

if there’s nothing signed in the next 48 hours expect to see a 28 day strike called...
 

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I'm not sure I understand why if no progress is made in 48 hours more strike action is called for? The statement made by the RMT sounds promising (from an industrial action point of view at least), was there a deadline set to resolve this by the 31st?

Does this proposal mean retrofitting 701s with guards panels, or were they always intended to be used? I suppose that wants doing at an early stage before the bulk of the fleet have been constructed...
 

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if there’s nothing signed in the next 48 hours expect to see a 28 day strike called...
So a union that publicly claimed its settled several
disputes almost year ago simply moves the goalposts & restarts them.
Whatever side of the argument one’s on it appears quality management & leadership is currently in very short supply on our railways.
 
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Does this proposal mean retrofitting 701s with guards panels, or were they always intended to be used? I suppose that wants doing at an early stage before the bulk of the fleet have been constructed...
701s have always had guards panels planned to be fitted at every other set of doors.
 

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I can’t find reference to the ‘2 seconds per coach’ rule, but I’m certain I’ve seen it somewhere.

From the report :

53 RSSB15 research reference T53516 recommends that, for an eight coach train (such as the one involved in the accident), 13.5 seconds should be allowed for the task of carrying out the ‘train safety check’ in order to ensure reliability in making a full and safe inspection of the CCTV images.

I also remember seeing something about '2 seconds' but that was 2 seconds per monitor checked, not coaches.
 

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What does 3. Productivity for based upon improved performance to agreed targets.
Mean ?
 

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Fair enough, didn't realise that, I assumed SWR had been trying to get them DOO from the off.
They certainly wanted drivers to be in full operational control of the train, but I think having guards panels throughout was always going to be useful, even if guards were not controlling the doors, but for them to contact the driver and make PA announcements.
 

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Glad to see that RMT seem to think drivers will be opening doors!!

I assume it's just an agreement that they are willing to transfer the responsibility of door release depending on the rolling stock and agreement with Aslef at a later date.

To be fair this is no different to the agreement about DOO in drivers contracts from SWT days.
 

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to be fair ASLEF haven’t come out and said otherwise, otherwise they’d have sat down with RMT
Aslef have made it clear that they won't enter into discussions with the company until the rmt dispute is resolved.
 

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What does 3. Productivity for based upon improved performance to agreed targets.
Mean ?
I think all parties understand that’ll amount to a largely meaningless text of buzzwords if the RMT fully get their way, as BR long ago realised, essentially if guards have to fully control doors at every stop on every train in service on frequently stopping metro routes, there’s realistically very little time for them to do much else, not a criticism just how it’s always been
 
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