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TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

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sjpowermac

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Can you do this for first class aswell? It's fantastic!
Many thanks, Jack, I’m delighted that you like it. It took quite some time to draw (in Adobe Illustrator), I worked from photographs and made final adjustments from notes having taken a draft on to a train.

I’ll certainly do the other coaches too, it might take a week or two because I want to ensure the same level of accuracy:)
 
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Regarding ‘poor design’ I’m still awaiting your solution in terms of a detailed plan (as opposed to arm waiving!), within the constraints we have already discussed...

I'll reserve that until I've ridden on one and seen the layout in all coaches. However, fundamentally, from first principles, having even one seat with a poor or nonexistent window view is poor design which goes right back to BR cost-cutting. There was no need for Mk3s to be built with one window layout - it was simply done because it was cheaper. Same with Mk5s, as CAF can demonstrably build a coach with full window alignment in Standard as they have actually done it - the WCML EMU vehicle.
 

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Many thanks, Jack, I’m delighted that you like it. It took quite some time to draw (in Adobe Illustrator), I worked from photographs and made final adjustments from notes having taken a draft on to a train.

I’ll certainly do the other coaches too, it might take a week or two because I want to ensure the same level of accuracy:)

Thanks for doing this.

With regard to accuracy, is the spacing of the bays accurate? It appears, if so, that some bays have rather more space than others?
 

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There are two answers to this, neither of which spoils alignment.

One of them is that you space them that way anyway, and give them excellent legroom, such as they are in the end sections of Class 350s.
The other is that you use the Class 158-style layout, giving the bay the window plus a good part of both pillars, and the airline seats just the window width.
Going for the extra leg room doesn't get the extra seats in overall though. It isn't going to be long before the complaints about overcrowding in TPE new stock starts.
 

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In which case, the "silly little DMU" argument extends to small LHCS formations and they need to get in an order for 1 or 2 additional coaches per set.
But also the 802s and 397s which aren't LCHS need an easy cheap solution and airline seating has shown this can be done sensibly elsewhere (GWR HSTs).
 

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New Nova advert airing slots on TV...

11:25 'This Morning' ITV
13:15 'Loose Woman' ITV
14:20 'Countdown' Channel 4
17:15 'Four in a bed' Channel 4
19:15 'Emmerdale' ITV
20:45 'Travel Man' Channel 4
20:58 'Coronation Street' ITV
23:10 'Caught on camera' ITV
And now on the TPE YouTube channel (I’m guessing it’s the same one?)...
 

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Is there a Mk5A initial diagrams thread?
Thanks :)

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Found it
 

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Ones just gone to Longsight now from Vic so I'm guessing the issue isn't as bad as it sounds. It's still moving abeit as an ecs back to the depot.
 

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On the bright side it might mean a few less short workings due to crewing issues if the stock out working is nearly all 185s.
 

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Mk5a seat and window alignment plan
I’ve created a seating plan with window alignment shown for coach D, the nearest standard coach to the loco;)

There are two versions.

Version 1
Here I’ve shown my personal recommendations for the best seats.
Green: ‘hey, this is as good as a Mk2 coach’.
Yellow: ‘I’ve got a pretty good view here’.
Red: ‘I’m happy with this seat because I hate watching it rain’.

Version 2
As version 1 but without recommendations. I hope this will save pages of arguments over ‘I’d put that seat as yellow’, people can simply print out this version and colour as they wish;)

Please feel free to make any constructive comments for improvement. The plans are not millimetre perfect but I hope they give a good impression.

I wasn’t sure of the best format, so I’ve included both images and pdf format.

Finally, these are not official documents, so use with caution. All information taken from publicly available sources. Any inaccuracies are entirely mine and I’m happy to update if anyone has any better info.
View attachment 69863 View attachment 69864

I'm just catching up on this thread (only come into it now and again as got a bit bored of reading 'I've not been on one yet but....' and then reading a full scale whinge about them) and mate I have to commend your commitment to offering information (and photos but maybe we shouldn't talk about them ;)) throughout this fairly long winded process. Taking time out of your life to produce these attachments is just the cherry on the cake if you ask me. I doth my cap to you and thank you profusely sir :)
 

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I'm just catching up on this thread (only come into it now and again as got a bit bored of reading 'I've not been on one yet but....' and then reading a full scale whinge about them) and mate I have to commend your commitment to offering information (and photos but maybe we shouldn't talk about them ;)) throughout this fairly long winded process. Taking time out of your life to produce these attachments is just the cherry on the cake if you ask me. I doth my cap to you and thank you profusely sir :)
Thank you, that’s a fantastic message to receive:)

I’ll be working on similar seating plans for the other coaches in the next week:)

Thanks too for keeping quiet about the l*c*m*t*v* pictures;)
 

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Not good. They really aren't doing well with the loco hauled sets...

The 0555 MCV-LIV was cancelled twice last week and also yesterday.

Each week since the introduction of the Nova 3 sets I’ve produced a weekly summary of their workings. For all cancellations I’ve also noted the publicly quoted reason from the TPE Journey Check website.

Prior to today I think I’m correct in saying there were four occasions on which a delay or cancellation was quoted as being due to the train.

The cancellations to 1F48 mentioned were both due to ‘a shortage of train crew’, quoted from TPE Journey Check.

As I understand it the train crew shortages are due at least in part to TPE introducing three new train fleets at the same time.

Link below to last week’s summary of Nova 3 runs. I hope that helps to add a little balance:)

TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) Diagrams (no images please)
 

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It's a shame as I thought things were going quite well with the two service trains in general.

Hope it's not leaf fall and WSP issues.

They'll get em fettled and back into service as soon as they can.
 

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Nothing too concerning - just a safety check on the DTs.

Some people might think it’s a bit of an overreaction, but if you become aware of something that could be a contributing factor to causing or not preventing an incident, regardless of the likelihood, if you do nothing then you’re opening yourself up to being in some serious hot water, and/or an incident that you wouldn’t want on your conscience.

Better to be safe than sorry!
 

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Just a gentle reminder that this thread is to discuss TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress ;)

(many thanks to @Bletchleyite for continuing the discussion in the right forum! <:D I have moved the posts that led up to that post into that thread)

...I’ve created a seating plan with window alignment shown for coach D, the nearest standard coach to the loco;)...
That looks amazing! thanks for doing this.
 
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Just a gentle reminder that this thread is to discuss TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress ;)

(many thanks to @Bletchleyite for continuing the discussion in the right forum! <:D I have moved the posts that led up to that post into that thread)


That looks amazing! thanks for doing this.
You are most welcome, the other coaches will follow, it’s nice to give a little something back:)

As I’ve mentioned before, I think we have been really fortunate with the way people involved with the Mk5a stock have been so generous with their time in posting.
 

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Potential for top and tail 68s while the DVTs are out of action, is a rumor Ive heard. Be quite a sight (and sound) if both are powering!
 

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Potential for top and tail 68s while the DVTs are out of action, is a rumor Ive heard. Be quite a sight (and sound) if both are powering!
Not sure if that would work? I suspect that for platform lengths you'd need to drop to 4-car sets, but I'm not sure it's at all easy to knock an intermediate car out of a Mk5A set? (It would of course have to be an intermediate and not the DT itself, as you would need the DT's buffers.)
Hmm, how about running round at Scarborough and Lime St, with shunt-release courtesy of an 03 and and 08 respectively......? :)

Now if there were, say, 2 rakes of Mk3 hauled stock that could run t&t and slot in to deputise for the Mk5s temporarily...... No, no, what a foolish idea!!
 
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