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SWR Strike Action: Strikes every day in December except 1st, 12th, 25th & 26th

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Carlisle

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Yes. It is alleged RMT will give striking guards a basic full month wage
I couldn’t imagine a month long strike simply over who closed one particular model of train’s doors taking place under Bob crow, who on hindsight was clearly a far more capable leader than many gave him credit for
 
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Have some staff started early given the number of cancellations today already. For the second day in a row the last train from Salisbury to Exeter and the 0510 from Exeter to Salisbury are cancelled. However, tonight the 2120 to Yeovil is also cancelled so the last train beyond Gillingham westbound tonight is the 1920 from Waterloo which I'm guessing will be busier than ever!
 

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Have some staff started early given the number of cancellations today already. For the second day in a row the last train from Salisbury to Exeter and the 0510 from Exeter to Salisbury are cancelled. However, tonight the 2120 to Yeovil is also cancelled so the last train beyond Gillingham westbound tonight is the 1920 from Waterloo which I'm guessing will be busier than ever!

I suspect being half term, there will be less interest in rest day work. Unless it has changed, the last down train is the same crew as the first up train.
 

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Have some staff started early given the number of cancellations today already. For the second day in a row the last train from Salisbury to Exeter and the 0510 from Exeter to Salisbury are cancelled. However, tonight the 2120 to Yeovil is also cancelled so the last train beyond Gillingham westbound tonight is the 1920 from Waterloo which I'm guessing will be busier than ever!

Local taxi/bus firms in Salisbury will be happy with the extra revenue from taking passengers home from Salisbury
 

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First I've heard anything about a 28 day /month strike. Would have thought it would have been messroom rumour if true.
 

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The info came from the RMT reps themselves some time before the talks restarted

Well hopefully a deal will be signed tomorrow and then normal service can continue.....oh hang on maybe not normal service which ain't that great.
 

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Aside, look at what happened today simply because traincrew didn't want to come to do a days work. On their day off.....


WICC: SWR Network: Train Crew Shortages

WICC: SWR Network: Train Crew Shortages

The following service interventions have been implemented due to a train crew shortage:

1. 1D38 was cancelled
2. 1L68 was cancelled
3. 1L65 was cancelled
4. 2S51 was cancelled
5. 2R58 was cancelled
6. 2D68 was cancelled
7. 2C50 was cancelled
8. 2K43 was cancelled
9. 2H97 was cancelled
10. 1D57 was cancelled
11. 2H64 was cancelled
12. 2C39 was cancelled
13. 2O39 was cancelled
14. 1D66 was cancelled
15. 2G41 was cancelled
16. 2J44 was cancelled
17. 2F43 was cancelled
18. 2R58 was cancelled
19. 2S51 was cancelled
20. 1L68 was cancelled
21. 1L69 was cancelled
22. 2K37 was cancelled
23. 2D43 was cancelled
24. 2D35 was cancelled
25. 2S42 was cancelled
26. 2D44 was cancelled
27. 2J39 was cancelled
28. 2G46 was cancelled
29. 2J46 was cancelled
30. 1D38 was cancelled
31. 2G33 was cancelled
32. 2G50 was cancelled
33. 2M49 was cancelled
34. 2M56 was cancelled
35. 1U91 was cancelled
36. 1D55 was cancelled
37. 2U62 was cancelled
38. 1D64 was cancelled
39. 2M49 was cancelled
40. 2G41 was cancelled
41. 2K43 was cancelled
42. 2H97 was cancelled
43. 1D57 was cancelled
44. 2H64 was cancelled
45. 2D68 was cancelled
46. 1D66 was cancelled
47. 2U48 was cancelled

The defendant rests.
 

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That can't happen, believe me.
Of course it can.
A fortnight ago, the union successfully forced through what was in effect their entire agenda on Merseyrail by announcing strikes every Saturday until after the new year.
In light of the above what incentive or reasoning is there for them to recommend acting with any more restraint on SWR? if the TOC doesn’t capitulate..
 
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Of course it can.
A fortnight ago, the union successfully forced through what was in effect their entire agenda on Merseyrail by announcing strikes every Saturday until after the new year.
In light of the above what incentive or reasoning is there for them to recommend acting with any more restraint on SWR? if the TOC doesn’t capitulate..

for the benefit of those who haven’t kept up to date with the MR situation and to save us trawling through lots of pages, put briefly what was the final outcome with that? Driver release, guard close again?
 

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Aside, look at what happened today simply because traincrew didn't want to come to do a days work. On their day off.....

That list should be a fair deal smaller if you removed duplications in your list. Still not great, but not as bad as the list makes it out to be.
 

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That list should be a fair deal smaller if you removed duplications in your list. Still not great, but not as bad as the list makes it out to be.
This week's excuse is half-term. It was summer holidays before. Neither of those things is unpredictable, and we get the cancellations for crew shortage anyway every day even when there isn't some holiday event. Add in the plummeting reliability of the trains - short forms and cancellations daily due to shortages and failures and it is hard to avoid the conclusion that SWR are either incompetent or incapable. It was never, ever, ever like this under Stagecoach and the current performance is frankly unacceptable.

Over two years in and WorstGroup have taken this operation a long way backwards with no sign of improvement. I expect the December timetable, with more trains scheduled to run, to be an utter fiasco.
 

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This week's excuse is half-term. It was summer holidays before. Neither of those things is unpredictable, and we get the cancellations for crew shortage anyway every day even when there isn't some holiday event. Add in the plummeting reliability of the trains - short forms and cancellations daily due to shortages and failures and it is hard to avoid the conclusion that SWR are either incompetent or incapable. It was never, ever, ever like this under Stagecoach and the current performance is frankly unacceptable.

Over two years in and WorstGroup have taken this operation a long way backwards with no sign of improvement. I expect the December timetable, with more trains scheduled to run, to be an utter fiasco.

The first couple of years under Stagecoach in the mid-to-late 90's didn't exactly show their new exciting, invigorating and entrepreneurial private sector approach in quite the best light, what with SWT's shortage of drivers. A seemingly somewhat chastened Stagecoach did however appear to learn a lesson from that early episode.
 

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This week's excuse is half-term. It was summer holidays before. Neither of those things is unpredictable, and we get the cancellations for crew shortage anyway every day even when there isn't some holiday event.

The lacking termtime weekday service is run on overtime (there's so much going round I could work 13 out of 14 days all year round, but I don't, because days off mean more to me than some extra cash and continual exhaustion. Bring in the school holidays to the mix and why would someone want to work overtime when they can spend that time with their children?

That is the underlying reason. The company know how it works, it means they don't have to employ as many people as they actually need.

This applies to all franchises, not only SWR.
 

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It was never, ever, ever like this under Stagecoach and the current performance is frankly unacceptable.
You obviously didn’t travel in the early days of SSWT which was a disaster bought around by too many crew taking redundancy initially. Things not really settling down until after the ‘04 recast which did wonders for improving performance.
 

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You obviously didn’t travel in the early days of SSWT which was a disaster bought around by too many crew taking redundancy initially. Things not really settling down until after the ‘04 recast which did wonders for improving performance.

That would be the excellent recast tha SWR are attempting to remove all te benefits from with their 'improvements'.
 

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You obviously didn’t travel in the early days of SSWT which was a disaster bought around by too many crew taking redundancy initially. Things not really settling down until after the ‘04 recast which did wonders for improving performance.
Good point - I had forgotten about that. Stagecoach did, though, learn their lesson and for the last 15 years or so of their time were a competent operator. Not perfect by any means - they never properly got service recovery sorted out - but way better than the current shower.
 

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This week's excuse is half-term. It was summer holidays before. Neither of those things is unpredictable, and we get the cancellations for crew shortage anyway every day even when there isn't some holiday event. Add in the plummeting reliability of the trains - short forms and cancellations daily due to shortages and failures and it is hard to avoid the conclusion that SWR are either incompetent or incapable. It was never, ever, ever like this under Stagecoach and the current performance is frankly unacceptable.

Over two years in and WorstGroup have taken this operation a long way backwards with no sign of improvement. I expect the December timetable, with more trains scheduled to run, to be an utter fiasco.

No comment. :(
 

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Aside, look at what happened today simply because traincrew didn't want to come to do a days work. On their day off.....

The following service interventions have been implemented due to a train crew shortage:

1. 1D38 was cancelled....
….47. 2U48 was cancelled

But how does anyone who isn't a railway employee find out which services those codes refer to? I catch a train at a specified time, not by its headcode that isn't displayed.
 

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But how does anyone who isn't a railway employee find out which services those codes refer to? I catch a train at a specified time, not by its headcode that isn't displayed.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk is the easiest tool, with long lists like that it becomes quite a wall of text if every service has the full 'xxxx from Station A to Station B' listed - necessary for public-facing sites like JourneyCheck but not so much here, at least I don't think there are any rules about that.
 

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www.realtimetrains.co.uk is the easiest tool, with long lists like that it becomes quite a wall of text if every service has the full 'xxxx from Station A to Station B' listed - necessary for public-facing sites like JourneyCheck but not so much here, at least I don't think there are any rules about that.
RTT cannot tell you that information because the information is not in TRUST.
 

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So is the 28 day walkout still on the table or is it no longer a possibility (for now at least)?

The company were supposed to present the 'agreement' in writing on friday but failed to do so. Nation Executive Council is meeting on Tuesday to discuss options (which includes this rumoured strike).

I'm hoping they chose to meet on a Tuesday to give the company one last day on Monday to make good on their promise but Im not holding out.
 

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Nation Executive Council is meeting on Tuesday to discuss options (which includes this rumoured strike).
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Unless one’s employer stands accused of some pretty serious misdemeanours , is it fine for millions of passengers journeys annually to hinge on the whims of the RMTs or indeed any unions NEC, :(
 
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Unless one’s employer stands accused of some pretty serious misdemeanours , is it fine for millions of passengers journeys annually to hinge on the whims of the RMTs or indeed any unions NEC, :(

It's hardly a bed of roses for us either..
 

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But how does anyone who isn't a railway employee find out which services those codes refer to? I catch a train at a specified time, not by its headcode that isn't displayed.

Google SWR journey check. Journey check will list cancellations and other service updates and is intended for passenger use.

It's not an automatic data feed afaik so is reliant on someone in the control centre manually releasing the data.
 
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