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Class 315 Withdrawals

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bluegoblin7

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I am hoping to get up to Chingford way soon(ish) and hope the TfL liveried 315s will be working

Only one TfL Rail liveried 315 works with Overground, 315858. The TfL Rail roundels have been overstickered with Overground roundels.

The two fleets are captive.
 
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315842 is the doomed one heading to Newport Docks today. According to Richard Clinnick’s tweet it looks like it’s on it own for its last journey
 

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Is there a known end date for the TfL Rail 315s on the Shenfield line? Are any more due for imminent withdrawal or transfer to LO apart from 821/822/823/825/827/831/833/836/842/859?

I've heard everything from as soon as the December 2019 timetable change to as late as early 2021 for full withdrawal.
 

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Is there a known end date for the TfL Rail 315s on the Shenfield line? Are any more due for imminent withdrawal or transfer to LO apart from 821/822/823/825/827/831/833/836/842/859?

I've heard everything from as soon as the December 2019 timetable change to as late as early 2021 for full withdrawal.

I am hearing that the remaining TfL Rail sets will be withdrawn from the December timetable change but it is just a rumour at the moment and of course a few will temporarily be transferred to LO to replace their ones due for withdrawal and eventual disposal. TfL Rail sets are only working on weekdays now.
 

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I am hearing that the remaining TfL Rail sets will be withdrawn from the December timetable change but it is just a rumour at the moment and of course a few will temporarily be transferred to LO to replace their ones due for withdrawal and eventual disposal. TfL Rail sets are only working on weekdays now.

Put your fingers in your ears in that case. Currently some 315s should be around until Liverpool St platforms 16 and 17 are lengthened, otherwise there will be too many 7 car 345s to convert to 9 cars in one go.
 

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Put your fingers in your ears in that case. Currently some 315s should be around until Liverpool St platforms 16 and 17 are lengthened, otherwise there will be too many 7 car 345s to convert to 9 cars in one go.
I should think that the majority of the 315s will be staying until the Crossrail tunnels open. When that is however is anyone's guess.
 

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Thanks for the replies. Hopefully they do stick around a while longer.

I could've sworn there was a table from the Eversholt Rail website posted on here a year or so back which showed 20 x 315s staying on lease with TfL Rail until May 2020. I think the rest (both TfL and LO) were due off-lease in December 2018 so that has obviously been significantly extended.
 

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The following LOR units were not seen whilst travelling around in October 2019.
315804 - Last seen 14/9/19
315805 - Withdrawn with derailment damage?
315858 - Last seen 3/9/19
317890 - Last seen 3/9/19
Please note this is just in my normal course of travelling, usually to/from Seven Sisters from Southbury 3-4 times a week. I note an earlier post mentioned that 315804/858 were due for a exam and might be withdrawn. Is this now the case I wonder?
 

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315858 was out Thursday 31st October. Also 317890 out the same day according to my notes (missed that one originally).
 
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315858 and 315814 to be withdrawn shortly mid November! followed by 804 and 816 December.
315805 being repaired to re-enter service.
More TfL Class 315 units going to Overground in due course.
 

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From what I have heard, about 15-20 units will be retained for the period until Liverpool Street platform 18 is closed and platforms 16 & 17 lengthened

However hearing conflicting info regarding the December 2019 timetable, sounds like plan is to fully convert to 7car 345s

I am guessing some 315s will then move from Shenfield line, to cover the TfL rail services to Chingford+Enfield (presumably to allow any due heavy maintenance to be withdrawn). I guess the best of both fleets will form the 20 (approx) units retained for platform lengthening.

I do wonder if these will effectively be stored for a while once 710s in service (although no idea where, as presumably will try and rotate units onto a little used diagram to keep them active and avoid staff knowledge lapsing), then bringing then back into service for peak Liverpool Street trains once 9car conversions start.
 

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At the moment I have: -


315.813,21,23,28,32,35,40-2,45-6,50,55,60-1 (15) as sent for scrap

315.831 (Wolverton) + 822,27,33,59 (GE) (5) stored

315.801-12,14-9,24-6,29-30,34,36-9,43-4,47-9,51-4,56-8 (41) in service

Of which 315.801-12,14-7, 58 (17) are Overground

And

315.814,58 to go November 11

315.804,16 to go December


Is this correct?
 

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From what I have heard, about 15-20 units will be retained for the period until Liverpool Street platform 18 is closed and platforms 16 & 17 lengthened

However hearing conflicting info regarding the December 2019 timetable, sounds like plan is to fully convert to 7car 345s

I am guessing some 315s will then move from Shenfield line, to cover the TfL rail services to Chingford+Enfield (presumably to allow any due heavy maintenance to be withdrawn). I guess the best of both fleets will form the 20 (approx) units retained for platform lengthening.

I do wonder if these will effectively be stored for a while once 710s in service (although no idea where, as presumably will try and rotate units onto a little used diagram to keep them active and avoid staff knowledge lapsing), then bringing then back into service for peak Liverpool Street trains once 9car conversions start.
Since the requirement for TfL to take over the services from Paddington has occurred before the 9-car units are anywhere near ready, the previous arrangement about limiting the number of 7-cars in service is now void. Presumably, therefore, there's no reason the entire GEML side cannot also be worked with 7-car 345s.
 

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Since the requirement for TfL to take over the services from Paddington has occurred before the 9-car units are anywhere near ready, the previous arrangement about limiting the number of 7-cars in service is now void. Presumably, therefore, there's no reason the entire GEML side cannot also be worked with 7-car 345s.
I'm getting more and more confused by this. I thought that the Paddington to Reading trains in December would be 9 car units? Also if they can now convert enough 345s to wipe out the 315s, why didn't that happen months ago? What has changed?
 

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I'm getting more and more confused by this. I thought that the Paddington to Reading trains in December would be 9 car units? Also if they can now convert enough 345s to wipe out the 315s, why didn't that happen months ago? What has changed?
They were going to be originally but the trouble is, the 9-car units have the full software suite requisite for Crossrail running which isn't yet usable even outside the tunnels (as the 400 MTIN figure shows, versus the 5000-8000 posted by the 7-car units). Quite why the longer trains can't use the software from the short versions I'm not sure, I don't know if it's some TMS limitation or whether there are DOO implications for running the units beyond a certain length without certain equipment in operation. Either way, it's fully expected that the Reading services will now need to be worked by 7-car trains, replacing with 9-cars when the latter are fit for service.
The latter I'm certain will happen long before any further stages of Crossrail proceed, but by that time I imagine they will probably swap like-for-like with stored 9-car units and then convert the 7-cars they had been using back to 9-cars at a later time. On that basis, there is no reason they can't do the same with the GEML units - run a full fleet of 22 7-car units for now and convert them later. We shall see.
 

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315 currently sitting in Northampton sidings, arrived lunchtime from illford.

Any idea till when/ why?
 

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Another pair of 315s will be making their last journey from Ilford to Newport Docks for scrapping in the early hours of tomorrow morning. Haven't got the identity of the doomed units as of yet.
 

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No sign of the light loco en-route to Ilford for tomorrow morning’s scrap move. Hasn’t even left Leicester LIP yet.
 
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