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Jordan Adam

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That doesn't prove that these specific vehicles have actually been upgraded/retrofitted/converted though.

That is true, however i'm sure it has been mentioned previously here by reliable sources prior that they have been converted. Additional i doubt a company with the repute of Lothian would lie about buses being Euro 6, especially given they went screaming to the local Councillors about it!
 

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That is true, however i'm sure it has been mentioned previously here by reliable sources prior that they have been converted. Additional i doubt a company with the repute of Lothian would lie about buses being Euro 6, especially given they went screaming to the local Councillors about it!

Reliable sources? You do realise anyone can join a forum and claim to work at whatever company and say anything. That doesn't make it reliable.
 

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Reliable sources? You do realise anyone can join a forum and claim to work at whatever company and say anything. That doesn't make it reliable.

https://lothiancountry.co.uk/changes-to-our-services-from-19-november/

Quoted from their press release where Lothian themselves state the vehicles are Euro 6...
"This service will operate up to every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday, and every 30-minutes on a Sunday. It will operate using high quality low emission Euro 6 vehicles, reducing emissions and offering an enhanced customer experience."

Again, i doubt a company with the repute of Lothian would lie about buses being Euro 6.
 

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https://lothiancountry.co.uk/changes-to-our-services-from-19-november/

Quoted from their press release where Lothian themselves state the vehicles are Euro 6...
"This service will operate up to every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday, and every 30-minutes on a Sunday. It will operate using high quality low emission Euro 6 vehicles, reducing emissions and offering an enhanced customer experience."

Again, i doubt a company with the repute of Lothian would lie about buses being Euro 6.

Yes, I can read. They could quite easily say they are Euro 6 as I highly doubt your average punter is going to be able to tell if the bus actually has been converted.
 

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Yes, I can read. They could quite easily say they are Euro 6 as I highly doubt your average punter is going to be able to tell if the bus actually has been converted.

You can believe that if you want, but i doubt Lothian would claim vehicles are Euro 6 when they aren't.
 

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You can believe that if you want, but i doubt Lothian would claim vehicles are Euro 6 when they aren't.

As I said, they could claim anything about the vehicles as joe bloggs punter isn't going to be able to tell the difference. The service hasn't even started yet and people seem to have just assumed that those B7RLEs are for the X38. For all we know they could plan on using the Leopard Interurbans or even have new vehicles on the cards. I'm not one of these people who believe everything that's spoon-fed to them on an internet forum. IF they have been converted then It's quite likely there will be some differences visible on the vehicles to show this.
 

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As I said, they could claim anything about the vehicles as joe bloggs punter isn't going to be able to tell the difference. The service hasn't even started yet and people seem to have just assumed that those B7RLEs are for the X38. For all we know they could plan on using the Leopard Interurbans or even have new vehicles on the cards. I'm not one of these people who believe everything that's spoon-fed to them on an internet forum. IF they have been converted then It's quite likely there will be some differences visible on the vehicles to show this.
why do you need to moan about literally everything? every forum you’re on whether it be here or first glasgow you’re always moaning and doubting things
 

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why do you need to moan about literally everything? every forum you’re on whether it be here or first glasgow you’re always moaning and doubting things

Glad I'm not the only one that has noticed this I've seen plenty of great, accurate info on here and very rarely anything wrong from anyone
 

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why do you need to moan about literally everything? every forum you’re on whether it be here or first glasgow you’re always moaning and doubting things

Because I've had my fingers burned far too many times believing things on forums just for them to turn out to be nonsense...
 

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As I said, they could claim anything about the vehicles as joe bloggs punter isn't going to be able to tell the difference. The service hasn't even started yet and people seem to have just assumed that those B7RLEs are for the X38. For all we know they could plan on using the Leopard Interurbans or even have new vehicles on the cards. I'm not one of these people who believe everything that's spoon-fed to them on an internet forum. IF they have been converted then It's quite likely there will be some differences visible on the vehicles to show this.

Once again, no one is spoon feeding anyone. Do you get spoon fed? You seem to be obsessed with making that claim. Anyone with common sense can tell a reliable source and a troll apart, it's not rocket science. If you don't trust said sources then that's your problem.

Because I've had my fingers burned far too many times believing things on forums just for them to turn out to be nonsense...

While there are rumours that go about, just because something didn't happen it doesn't mean it's nonsense. There's many cases where there can be plans to do something but it gets delayed or called off for any number of reasons.

why do you need to moan about literally everything? every forum you’re on whether it be here or first glasgow you’re always moaning and doubting things

Leave him to it. Everyone is allowed to live in their own reality, it's just some realities are a fantasy!

Glad I'm not the only one that has noticed this I've seen plenty of great, accurate info on here and very rarely anything wrong from anyone

Just to add to what i said above (and to your statement), just because something doesn't end up happening it doesn't mean the statement is inaccurate. The Bus industry is very unpredictable and circumstances can change at nearly any moment.
 

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Once again, no one is spoon feeding anyone. Do you get spoon fed? You seem to be obsessed with making that claim. Anyone with common sense can tell a reliable source and a troll apart, it's not rocket science. If you don't trust said sources then that's your problem.

I'd hardly call saying "spoon-fed" twice an obession. And no I don't get "spoon-fed" and saying something like that to someone isn't called for.



While there are rumours that go about, just because something didn't happen it doesn't mean it's nonsense. There's many cases where there can be plans to do something but it gets delayed or called off for any number of reasons.

I can accept that, but still, I've been in plenty of situations where I've read/been told one thing only for it to actually be nonsense, it does actually happen. It's why these days I prefer to wait and see what actually happens. And there is absolutley nothing wrong with doing that.



Leave him to it. Everyone is allowed to live in their own reality, it's just some realities are a fantasy!

At what point have I given you the impression that I live in a fantasy? I'd hardly call not trusting the first thing said on a forum as factual a fantasy...
 

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Considering Lothian have said it, it would be a rather odd thing to lie about. After all, I doubt most people even know what Euro 6 is.

Carries a potentially big reputational issue if it wasn't true as well (e.g. EEN headlines like "LOTHIAN BUSES LIE ABOUT EMISSIONS") - especially with all the focus they put on their Bus2020 plan.
 

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Considering Lothian have said it, it would be a rather odd thing to lie about. After all, I doubt most people even know what Euro 6 is.

Carries a potentially big reputational issue if it wasn't true as well (e.g. EEN headlines like "LOTHIAN BUSES LIE ABOUT EMISSIONS") - especially with all the focus they put on their Bus2020 plan.

You do know now you've said that the EEN will probably have an article first thing tomorrow with stuff cherry picked off this thread...

But yes you're spot on, if Lothian are saying they're Euro 6 then that's all the confirmation that's really required.
 

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As I said, they could claim anything about the vehicles as joe bloggs punter isn't going to be able to tell the difference. The service hasn't even started yet and people seem to have just assumed that those B7RLEs are for the X38. For all we know they could plan on using the Leopard Interurbans or even have new vehicles on the cards. I'm not one of these people who believe everything that's spoon-fed to them on an internet forum. IF they have been converted then It's quite likely there will be some differences visible on the vehicles to show this.
Why on earth would there be any visible difference? My understanding is that the conversion process from Euro 5 to Euro 6 involves replacing various parts of the exhaust system. I'm more than happy to be corrected if my understanding is wrong, but even if they removed the original engine and replaced it with another, it's very unlikely that there will be any significant external difference.
If you are astute enough to notice a difference between one exhaust and another, you really ought to be getting out more!
 

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That looks quite nasty. Looks can be deceiving of course but...
 

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Because I've had my fingers burned far too many times believing things on forums just for them to turn out to be nonsense...
So take the information, and if it comes true, then it comes true. It's not like you're going to lose money on it! Some folk on here work within the company, and thus know the game from the inside. When you get to see things written by certain people over and over again that have came true in the past, you can judge them then if they can be trusted more, or not but that is up to you.
 

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Is the following a Personnel attack?

Ive ask most day this week what are the single and weekly for the X38, and the reply is always we don't know, is LCB still trying to figure this one out? if you dont believe me ask them yourselves...............
 

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Just as their hype on their web site re the new services. It doesn't say much about all the cuts in Livingston and Bathgate areas in both services and frequencies at night and weekends. So they are not mentioning fares as they probably be in line with their fare zones i.e. £2.70 from Kirkliston to Edinburgh and £3.70 from Winchburgh with no returns
 

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Just as their hype on their web site re the new services. It doesn't say much about all the cuts in Livingston and Bathgate areas in both services and frequencies at night and weekends. So they are not mentioning fares as they probably be in line with their fare zones i.e. £2.70 from Kirkliston to Edinburgh and £3.70 from Winchburgh with no returns

One post on twitter made me think they were revising the fares altogether, because they used the terms “some fares are changing”

Probably looking too deeply into it but if that’s the case that’s probably why they are not publishing the X38 fare zones untill the very last day at this point.. because to me it sounds like they are either bringing in more ticket options or revising the current ones

So it could be

A) Bringing in the long awaited Ridacard for West Lothian users

B) Proper Weekly and Monthly tickets which I know in this thread has been spoken more about than anything else :lol:

C) Green Arrows fares will be revised within the city and Linlithgow to local fares to draw in more passengers

Or
D) it’s unfortunately none of the above and the post was worded badly which lead to unfair speculation..

If you guessed D I wouldn’t blame you at this point
 

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Not sure how accurate it is, but the Traveline Scotland journey planner now has fare information and it shows £3.70 for Kirkliston.
 

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Not sure how accurate it is, but the Traveline Scotland journey planner now has fare information and it shows £3.70 for Kirkliston.

Just saw that, it had Linlithgow for £4.70 (Zone B) and Bridge end to Winchburgh as £3.70 (Zone A)

Either the Kirkliston part is an error or this is the changing fares the twitter post was referring too, though Ratho Station still comes up at £2.70, so I guess this is just a case of waiting and seeing
 

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So if Kirkliston is in a country zone, that would mean the Ridacard won't be available, even though Kirkliston is no further than Queensferry and within Edinburgh.
 
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