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Lewes Bonfire station closures - over the top?

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haggishunter

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I don't know what it needs for some people to understand.......

The local population DO NOT WANT *their* events ruined by masses of visitors swamping their town and their enjoyment. It used to be very enjoyable when it was still of a reasonably small size but it's been ruined by the sheer volumes now attending. We have this debate every year, but some people still don't understand.

The event should be stopped - why should surrounding areas have their services and transport disrupted too? There’s a number of occasions this event has taken things too far that organisers should have faced criminal consequences. They sought maximum notoriety so not much sympathy if they’ve attracted annual mayhem and chaos. Stop this event then no need to close stations.
 
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I am sure that the people of Lewes will be delighted to cancel their traditional event because closing the station upsets a few trainspotters.
 

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I am sure that the people of Lewes will be delighted to cancel their traditional event because closing the station upsets a few trainspotters.

Is the complaint that because the station is closed people can't go and take numbers?
 

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I'm very pro-public transport, have never owned a car and probably never will, yet even I can see why they took the course of action that they did. The first part of your post is just hyperbole, and the other parts are purely speculative with no evidence presented. Sorry!
Perhaps my innate suspicison of the police is showing through. But if you only allowed posts with 100% hard evidence behind them there would be nothing on this forum...

Changing the subject, why not use the railway to control access to the event? Have more widespread road closures, except for locals, and insist that all visitors to the event use special shuttle trains into Lewes from other suitable local station(s), charging special fares - which would in effect be the admission price that people have suggested? People would be allocated specific timed services to help control the flow. If things were getting too crowded in the town trains could be held outside the station until the situation had cleared.
 

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The event should be stopped - why should surrounding areas have their services and transport disrupted too? There’s a number of occasions this event has taken things too far that organisers should have faced criminal consequences. They sought maximum notoriety so not much sympathy if they’ve attracted annual mayhem and chaos. Stop this event then no need to close stations.

It is one day and is a scheduled event every year. People ought to be able to plan around it. If they can't be bothered to think and plan, they are to blame. It is the same with people who whinge when their local street is closed for a cycle event, as though it is impossible to park their car somewhere else for a couple of hours, or get their shopping before the road closure. People just can't be bothered to think, this is a common problem in the SE.

You don't need to stop the event, but if it is becoming unmanagable, perhaps it may be time to consider moving it somewhere which does have the room to host it. If that is not possible, scale it down.

The public transport is disrupted because it is easy to do. There are only three ways into Lewes by rail, so trivial to block those three routes. It would be far more difficult to block all possible routes by road, which would be difficult to do without causing transport problems for people just trying to get somewhere other than Lewes, plus you'd have to block all the public rights of way, which would be pretty much impossible.
 

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The event should be stopped - why should surrounding areas have their services and transport disrupted too? There’s a number of occasions this event has taken things too far that organisers should have faced criminal consequences. They sought maximum notoriety so not much sympathy if they’ve attracted annual mayhem and chaos. Stop this event then no need to close stations.

Then we should consider everything that brings chaos with it, let's start by banning the never ending demonstrations in London for example that cause services and transport to be disrupted, let's ban sports events, music concerts, the London Marathon and countless other events held the length and breadth of the country, I think you'll find the vast majority of people in the Lewes area are perfectly happy with this one day per year event, everyone else can keep away if they don't like it, as for 'criminal consequences' why don't you list the ones that don't happen in other places all over the country?

Just a thought, let's ban those Extinction Rebellion morons from causing chaos with their 'demonstrations', oh no you can't can you? it's against the law
 

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Not only was Lewes station closed from late afternoon, but so were all stations within a five mile radius -
Now I can understand why the authorities might want to close Lewes station itself after a certain time; you wouldn't want a train arriving and injecting perhaps up to 500-1,000 people into an already overcrowded town. But why close all the stations in the surrounding area too, like Glynde, Falmer and Cooksbridge?


I see people are having difficulty with reading what the OP wrote.
 

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Then we should consider everything that brings chaos with it, let's start by banning the never ending demonstrations in London for example that cause services and transport to be disrupted

Never ending demonstrations? Really? They must all have the day off on the Fridays when I travel into London then, how lucky I am.

I think you'll find the vast majority of people in the Lewes area are perfectly happy with this one day per year event,

Yes, people usually are happy with externalising costs onto others, doesn't mean anything.

Just a thought, let's ban those Extinction Rebellion morons from causing chaos with their 'demonstrations', oh no you can't can you? it's against the law

Well yes, thankfully, would you like our right to peaceful protest banned? Would that be fitting with a free, democratic society?

let's ban sports events, music concerts, the London Marathon and countless other events held the length and breadth of the country

Do those involve shutting down transport over a wide area during the working week, such that some people can't get to their intended destinations at all?

Whilst I agree with you in principle, surely you can come up with a better argument than the tiresome whataboutism.
 

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The public transport is disrupted because it is easy to do. There are only three ways into Lewes by rail, so trivial to block those three routes.

Those three routes can be blocked by closing Lewes station, and Lewes station only. Closing the other stations is not necessary.
 

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Perhaps my innate suspicison of the police is showing through. But if you only allowed posts with 100% hard evidence behind them there would be nothing on this forum...
To be clear we are not disallowing your post.
 

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It is one day and is a scheduled event every year. People ought to be able to plan around it. If they can't be bothered to think and plan, they are to blame. It is the same with people who whinge when their local street is closed for a cycle event, as though it is impossible to park their car somewhere else for a couple of hours, or get their shopping before the road closure. People just can't be bothered to think, this is a common problem in the SE.

You don't need to stop the event, but if it is becoming unmanagable, perhaps it may be time to consider moving it somewhere which does have the room to host it. If that is not possible, scale it down.

My complaint goes beyond the issue of a day of disruption, as it happens I live on a street where surrounding roads in and out are closed multiple weekends a year for big events, all the emphasis is don’t bring a car get public transport.

My main point is the police are complaining about the types being attracted well it’s hardly surprising given the Lewes Bonfire seems to be more of a fascist rally at times. The parading of effigies of Scottish and EU political leaders in nooses for burning, the burning of Saltires and EU flags - it’s spreading hatred, it’s tantamount to encouraging political violence and after Jo Cox assassination it’s unacceptable.
 

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GTR are getting some flack on here, to be fair not too much but I am sure that they would love to have all the revenue.
 

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My complaint goes beyond the issue of a day of disruption, as it happens I live on a street where surrounding roads in and out are closed multiple weekends a year for big events, all the emphasis is don’t bring a car get public transport.

My main point is the police are complaining about the types being attracted well it’s hardly surprising given the Lewes Bonfire seems to be more of a fascist rally at times. The parading of effigies of Scottish and EU political leaders in nooses for burning, the burning of Saltires and EU flags - it’s spreading hatred, it’s tantamount to encouraging political violence and after Jo Cox assassination it’s unacceptable.
I don't think it's the type of people just the number of people and the potential safety problems that the police are concerned about.
 

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It is one day and is a scheduled event every year. People ought to be able to plan around it. If they can't be bothered to think and plan, they are to blame. It is the same with people who whinge when their local street is closed for a cycle event, as though it is impossible to park their car somewhere else for a couple of hours, or get their shopping before the road closure. People just can't be bothered to think, this is a common problem in the SE.

You don't need to stop the event, but if it is becoming unmanagable, perhaps it may be time to consider moving it somewhere which does have the room to host it. If that is not possible, scale it down.

The public transport is disrupted because it is easy to do. There are only three ways into Lewes by rail, so trivial to block those three routes. It would be far more difficult to block all possible routes by road, which would be difficult to do without causing transport problems for people just trying to get somewhere other than Lewes, plus you'd have to block all the public rights of way, which would be pretty much impossible.
To be honest I don't think that people from up country understand the nature of the event.
The Sussex Bonfire season starts after August Bank holiday. Many towns and villages have their own society and events. The events are timed so that they don't clash and so societies can parade at one another's events. Lewes on the 5th has always been the climax. Lewes is the county town of East Sussex and has (I think) 3 different societies. People from Sussex are still travelling to Lewes by arranged coach. It is a very good event. If attending by car it has been a tradition that you have to park some miles out of lewes and walk in or travel in and spend the day there. In our case we generally park in Ringmer and walk from there.
The problem has been that publicity of the event has resulted in huge numbers of people travelling from outside of the County and from London in particular. The rail closure has been largely in response to that.
 

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I saw a documentary years ago about another event, the Ottery St Mary flaming tar barrel racing. When there still was a railway station, the Police used to detain troublemakers and release them just in time that after running they would miss the last train from Ottery St Mary station by about five minuted.
 

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When there still was a railway station, the Police used to detain troublemakers and release them just in time that after running they would miss the last train from Ottery St Mary station by about five minuted.

And what did they do until the first train in the morning?
 
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